College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

I'm curious if anybody knows the back story or has insight into our coaching search after Sampson was cut loose. I only know from what I've discovered on the internet. I've read that we made overtures to Tony Bennett, but according to what I've seen, he wasn't interested in coaching at a program that's as nuts as ours -- so to speak. He just wanted to coach and recruit, without having to put up with all the other B.S.(speaking engagements, over-the-top fan base, etc.)  But I have to think the fact that we fired his sister didn't help matters. ... Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I've seen some Bennett-to-UCLA speculation. And if he didn't want all the B.S. that goes with a program like IU, I cannot imagine he would be interested in Westwood. 

firing his sister as the women’s coach probably had more to do with Bennett not ending up at IU then anything


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[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

I don’t see anyway Murray St gets in if they lose in their conference tournament
22 wins against teams 133 or lower
Best wins is at 133 Austin Peay
0 top 100 wins
SOS-258


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Agree. The NCAA committee never gives automatic births to mid-major schools. Even if they are on the bubble, past history shows they award power 5 team with that has the better overall wins and SOS (ala Syracuse almost every year). The fact that Buffalo and Wofford are positioned to get automatic births is rare. Unless something drastic has changed in thinking I would say the chance Murray State gets one is less than 10% even with a lottery pick to boot. 

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

8 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Agree. The NCAA committee never gives automatic births to mid-major schools. Even if they are on the bubble, past history shows they award power 5 team with that has the better overall wins and SOS (ala Syracuse almost every year). The fact that Buffalo and Wofford are positioned to get automatic births is rare. Unless something drastic has changed in thinking I would say the chance Murray State gets one is less than 10% even with a lottery pick to boot. 

The way it should be.

[HoosierFan1994 4,778]

2 hours ago, yogisballin said:

I think Murray St will get in regardless. They’ll want Morant in the tourney for people to come see


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Remember, the NCAA kept Davidson out in 2009 with Curry. They will keep Morant and Murray out too. 

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

2 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

I doubt the field was this terrible in 2009.


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People say the field is terrible EVERY year... no matter what that is always the discussion... because 99% of the time the last teams in (even the last 15-20 At Large teams) don't have a realistic shot at winning it all.

In 2009 Wisconsin & Arizona made it with 19 wins while Michigan & Maryland made it with 20.

For Mid-Majors Dayton & Butler both made it with 26 wins.

All 6 of those resumes were much better than Murray State's this year. If they don't win their tournament they are not in, don't deserve to be, no matter 1 player, no matter some random eye test... every team has the option to schedule games (and then win them) to make them a legit At-Large team and they did not do so.

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

Eye test. If that were the case, Nevada wouldn’t be getting in off resume either. People just know how good they are.


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Yes they would. They are top 20 in Net.
1-1 in Quad 1
7-1 in Quad 2
Their resume is definitely at-large worthy


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[Uspshoosier 46,783]

Not where the committee is going to put them which is likely a Top 4 seed. And depending on how they finish the year, could be a top 3 seed.


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You said they wouldn’t get in on resume that people just know how good they are. I just showed you they would get in on their resume which they would. Who cares where the committee ends up putting them. What does that have to do with the comparison between Murray getting an at-large. Pretty simple Murray St isn’t getting an at large because their resume is garbage. Nevada will get in because they would of earned it with a worthy resume.


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[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

1 minute ago, Joe DeLow said:

Teams like Murray State struggle to schedule up. And if they do, they are road games. Power 5 teams aren’t expected to win on the road, but you expect mid majors to consistently win on the road? You have to use the eye test with them. It is all there is.


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Not true at all... you think they would have trouble scheduling Home & Homes with teams like South Dakota State, Utah State, Yale, Old Dominion, Grand Canyon, Fresno State, Vermont, San Francisco, etc... all of those would be much more impressive than anything they have done (Austin Peay).

And if not then ok schedule them on the road, if you want to be legit you start there and then if you can handle it and win then others will be forced to come to your home for them to be legitimized. Go to Toledo, Liberty, Lipscomb, etc...

YES I would expect a Mid-Major or a Power 5 to be able to go on the road to those type of teams and win... may lose 1 or so but if you can't win in those type of places consistently then you don't deserve to be an At Large Bid in the NCAA Tourney.

[yogisballin 2,379]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

I don’t see anyway Murray St gets in if they lose in their conference tournament
22 wins against teams 133 or lower
Best wins is at 133 Austin Peay
0 top 100 wins
SOS-258


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Guess we'll see. I agree, I don't think they should get in either. BUT we all know how much the NCAA loves that money money money. 

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

Teams like Murray State struggle to schedule up. And if they do, they are road games. Power 5 teams aren’t expected to win on the road, but you expect mid majors to consistently win on the road? You have to use the eye test with them. It is all there is.


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Or teams like Murray St can schedule other good mid-Majors and schedule home and home in the same year like Belmont did this hear. Belmont swept Lipscomb this year in the non-conference and earned a Quad 1 and Quad 2 out of scheduling high mid majors. Coaches who use the excuse of scheduling high majors in the non conference maybe they need to take a different approach because the system isn’t changing anytime soon. Maybe they should look at scheduling bottom teams of power conferences because with the quad system playing on the road to a team like SMU would still be a Quad 2 win


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[Uspshoosier 46,783]

Well Indiana can’t even win in those places consistently. Do we deserve in? No tourney hopeful team is going to take a chance playing a good mid major because they consider a lose-lose. A reason Kansas never wanted a home and home with Wichita State. It was only good for Wichita State. Teams like other mid majors are trying to get wins because they can’t afford losses. And mid majors can’t risk losing to other mid majors as it hurts them. It’s a complicated yet simple part of college basketball. You’re never going to get Indiana traveling to IPFW again. You’re never going to get Duke going to Wofford. I think one of the only top teams to travel this season was North Carolina who went to Wofford and Elon. Perception is important. And Monmouth proved that just playing some okay type teams doesn’t mean jack squat.

 

 

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The system that was in place proved that Monmouth didn’t mean jack squat winning games in the road however the new quad system would benefit that Monmouth team. If this system was in place that year Monmouth would of gotten in

 

 

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[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

17 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Well Indiana can’t even win in those places consistently. Do we deserve in? No tourney hopeful team is going to take a chance playing a good mid major because they consider a lose-lose. A reason Kansas never wanted a home and home with Wichita State. It was only good for Wichita State. Teams like other mid majors are trying to get wins because they can’t afford losses. And mid majors can’t risk losing to other mid majors as it hurts them. It’s a complicated yet simple part of college basketball. You’re never going to get Indiana traveling to IPFW again. You’re never going to get Duke going to Wofford. I think one of the only top teams to travel this season was North Carolina who went to Wofford and Elon. Perception is important. And Monmouth proved that just playing some okay type teams doesn’t mean jack squat.


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So in summary every Mid-Major wants/needs games but none (not many) are willing to take the risk of losing those games that could help them so instead they play terrible teams to rack up wins and then people are upset that they don't get an At-Large bid? As USPS stated maybe these Mid-Majors need to rethink their strategy because the way they are doing it isn't getting them very far.

If Indiana played the schedule Murray State has played and had the same record then no they wouldn't deserve to be in, but if Murray State played he schedule IU has what would their record be... It is easy to look GREAT via the Eye test when your competition is subpar, that is why the eye test isn't a criteria..

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html
SEC coach of the year this year? lol


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[Uspshoosier 46,783]

Radford up 2 on Presbyterian with 15:41 to go


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[Brass Cannon 24,974]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html
SEC coach of the year this year? lol


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Feel like LSU is going that get hammered so they can pretend they are doing something

[Uspshoosier 46,783]

One step closer to a Radford/Campbell final in the Big South tourney. Radford takes care of business against Presbyterian.

If you haven’t watch Campbell this year try to watch them this week. Clemons is a stud. I hope they make the tournament.

 

 

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[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

The Fighting Camels!!!!!

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html
SEC coach of the year this year? lol


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The $EC commish said he wanted a better basketball conference. They went out and hired coaches that are/were willing to play in the mud. It would be fitting for Wade to get $EC COY and then get a show cause by the NCAA.


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[Stuhoo 82,156]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

The $EC commish said he wanted a better basketball conference. They went out and hired coaches that are/were willing to play in the mud. It would be fitting for Wade to get $EC COY and then get a show cause by the NCAA.


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Remember when we were very interested in Tremont Waters and then Crean backed off?

Waters, Naz Reid, and Javonte Smart are the core of Will Wade's #10 LSU team, and they all most certainly were paid.

 

[HoosierDYT 1,748]

Is it possible that just as Romeo favored Louisville and then they got in trouble, Watford favors LSU, they get in trouble, and he chooses something that is definitely “clean” in IU? Probably not, but we can hope

 

 

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