NBA Thread

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I mean do you want me to go through and name all the series he's played in? Are the refs the reason they swept the Pistons last year in? How about when they swept the Hawks last year? Or we can go to a throwback and talk about when he dragged a team with Larry Hughes as its second best player to the NBA finals. The man has been to six straight NBA finals. The refs are the only reason for that? Cmon man, that's just ridiculous. In the NBA finals last year LeBron scored 4.4 of his 29.7 points per game at the free throw line. It's not like he was getting 15-20 free throws a night. 

How are you not getting this?  He may not need them every series but regardless he gets their help. Playoff Lebron is just just Lebron getting extra help. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

How are you not getting this?  He may not need them every series but regardless he gets their help. Playoff Lebron is just just Lebron getting extra help. 

Because your statements are kinda ridiculous... You want to completely discredit the guy and say he only wins because of the refs. Show me a series where LeBron won because of the refs.    

Watch this video and I think it'll make sense. LeBron is the first threat to Jordan's legacy and people don't like it. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/theherd/status/844971048642629633

[Hoosierfan2017]

Let me guess, you also think LeBron can't win without a team full of superstars? 

[Hoosier Guy]

LeBron is great. No one can question that. But to say that guy isn't a whiny b!tch that almost always has the refs help is absolutely ludicrous. And he's not even close to Jordan. The closest thing to Jordan is Kobe. And even that isn't that close. No one will ever be Michael Jordan

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because your statements are kinda ridiculous... You want to completely discredit the guy and say he only wins because of the refs. Show me a series where LeBron won because of the refs.    

Watch this video and I think it'll make sense. LeBron is the first threat to Jordan's legacy and people don't like it. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/theherd/status/844971048642629633

I never said he only wins because of the refs. I think your insecurity is showing. He's never won without the refs. 

Hes like a kid who keeps using training wheels for way too long. He probably is perfectly capable of winning without the refs.  But he's never done it. He's always got 3 guys in his back pocket to fall back on. When the going gets tough the whistles come out. And the truly great teams are able to overcome it. 

But right now the Cavs are allowed to manhandle the Pacers. Where the Pacers can't even touch the Cavs. There's nothing impressive about winning a rigged game. So when your entire careee is rigged it's gonna lose some luster. 

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Let me guess, you also think LeBron can't win without a team full of superstars? 

Has he?

[mdn82]

Because your statements are kinda ridiculous... You want to completely discredit the guy and say he only wins because of the refs. Show me a series where LeBron won because of the refs.    
Watch this video and I think it'll make sense. LeBron is the first threat to Jordan's legacy and people don't like it. 
https://mobile.twitter.com/theherd/status/844971048642629633

Ha, using Colin Cowherd as your evidence of anything isn't exactly the best move. Kobe was actually the first threat. Lebron is great no doubt. Probably even the most talented player of all time. He is not the greatest player of all time. He takes plays and games off. That debate is a preference thing, and personally for me he is top 5 no doubt. They are at the point they have played right at the same amount of games. My preference is Jordan all day everyday at both ends.


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[Brass Cannon]

Stupid shots, no defense and no communication. Are we sure Crean wasn't moonlighting with the Pacers?

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Has he?

The Cavs are 4-23 without him since he went back to Cleveland, you tell me how important he is to the team. 

[mdn82]

LeBron is great. No one can question that. But to say that guy isn't a whiny b!tch that almost always has the refs help is absolutely ludicrous. And he's not even close to Jordan. The closest thing to Jordan is Kobe. And even that isn't that close. No one will ever be Michael Jordan

Yep. I love Lebron. Dude is great, but he is no Jordan. Top 5 for sure when it's all done. They are different type of players. It's a different era. But if I were starting a team and had to choose between 25 year old Lebron or Jordan, I take Jordan. You will get 82 games plus playoffs from a player obsessed with winning every night.


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Cavs are 4-23 without him since he went back to Cleveland, you tell me how important he is to the team. 

That's what you asked?  

[Hoosier Guy]

I hate LeBron and his cronies. Such a prima donna b!tch that always complains when one call doesn't go his way. It gets old. Go out and prove you're the best instead of relying on stripes to give you the benefit of the doubt

[mdn82]

The Cavs are 4-23 without him since he went back to Cleveland, you tell me how important he is to the team. 

That's a pretty loaded stat assuming Lebron was the only one sitting out. He wasn't in most of those games. Usually Love and/or Kyrie were out as well.


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[Hoosier Guy]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Yep. I love Lebron. Dude is great, but he is no Jordan. Top 5 for sure when it's all done. They are different type of players. It's a different era. But if I were starting a team and had to choose between 25 year old Lebron or Jordan, I take Jordan. You will get 82 games plus playoffs from a player obsessed with winning every night.


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I saw something the other day that Jordan played all 82 games nine seasons of his career. LeBron has never played all 82 games in one season. That's ridiculous. LeBron is soft

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Ha, using Colin Cowherd as your evidence of anything isn't exactly the best move. Kobe was actually the first threat. Lebron is great no doubt. Probably even the most talented player of all time. He is not the greatest player of all time. He takes plays and games off. That debate is a preference thing, and personally for me he is top 5 no doubt. They are at the point they have played right at the same amount of games. My preference is Jordan all day everyday at both ends.


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He definitely takes plays/games off and it bothers me that he does to be honest. I understand it though. He has a crazy amount of mileage on his body at this point and has to pace himself to have enough left in the tank for the finals. 

With all the great players in history it's hard to point to one as being the best. You've got great big men, great guards, and great wings so it's tough to compare them since they all had different roles. 

[Hoosier Guy]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

That's a pretty loaded stat assuming Lebron was the only one sitting out. He wasn't in most of those games. Usually Love and/or Kyrie were out as well.


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This is SO SO true. The three of them usually sit together

[BtownBanner6]

Dear lord, blind hatred of greatness because his name isn't Michael Jordan.

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

That's a pretty loaded stat assuming Lebron was the only one sitting out. He wasn't in most of those games. Usually Love and/or Kyrie were out as well.


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That's true, I'm just too lazy to go through and find the record for games where both of the other two played but LeBron didn't. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, BtownBanner6 said:

Dear lord, blind hatred of greatness because his name isn't Michael Jordan.

If he was so great he wouldn't need help to beat this garbage Pacers team 

[Brass Cannon]

And the ignored James over the back