6'4" Guard Nick Zeisloft joins Hoosiers

[Hutch89 2,939]

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think NZ will get many minutes? I can imagine the benefits to the squad in terms of maturity, experience, and chemistry are great. but is he skilled enough too see more than 5 minutes a game?


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[Basketball4iU 2,006]

[quote name="Scohutch" post="73436" timestamp="1404792482"]think NZ will get many minutes? I can imagine the benefits to the squad in terms of maturity, experience, and chemistry are great. but is he skilled enough too see more than 5 minutes a game?


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So much depends on .."so much" excepting him and respect etc it's just a matter of time... We will see how willing the "team" is willing to gel


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[CampHoosier 3,697]

I realize it's another guard, but at this point are we really complaining an experienced D1 player who is pursuing a Kelley degree is joining our young and thin squad? Crean always has made room for scholarship players when we need them. I don't see this kid being a problem. Quite to the contrary, he brings a lot of experience that will help this young squad. I don't care what conference you play in, if you have played for a few years at the D1 level you know what it takes to compete. Glad he's on board. 

[JSHoosier 20,317]

This kid was the 5th leading scorer on a bad team, if he gets any time we're in trouble.  I also don't think we're in too good of shape if we're having to turn to a role player like this to bring leadership.

 

He gets to sit on the bench and wear the uniform of one of the to programs of all time and good for him, but let's pretend this is better than it is.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="73449" timestamp="1404847255"]This kid was the 5th leading scorer on a bad team, if he gets any time we're in trouble. I also don't think we're in too good of shape if we're having to turn to a role player like this to bring leadership. He gets to sit on the bench and wear the uniform of one of the to programs of all time and good for him, but let's pretend this is better than it is.[/quote] No one is pretending this is something big. This kid has experience and was captain of a D1 program. Those are facts that have been stated, and those facts are where people see his value. No one here has stretched the truth of the impact he can have. Honestly, you're just trying to rain on everyone's parade with posts like these. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

[JSHoosier 20,317]

No one is pretending this is something big. This kid has experience and was captain of a D1 program. Those are facts that have been stated, and those facts are where people see his value. No one here has stretched the truth of the impact he can have. Honestly, you're just trying to rain on everyone's parade with posts like these. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

Trying to get leadership from outside the program may or may not work.  People said Evan Gordon would bring leadership and he was coming from a better conference than this kid is.  There is no guarantee the team will follow a kid that was nothing more than a role player on a bad team in a bad conference.

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[quote name="JSHoosier" post="73452" timestamp="1404848428"]Trying to get leadership from outside the program may or may not work. People said Evan Gordon would bring leadership and he was coming from a better conference than this kid is. There is no guarantee the team will follow a kid that was nothing more than a role player on a bad team in a bad conference.[/quote] No one said he will be a leader on the team. He possess leadership ability and hopefully he can use that to help the team. I understand and agree with your point about bringing in outside leadership, but I don't understand your reason for knocking this kid before anyone has even really seen him play. basketball4iu has seen him in the gym with the other players and has said he looks like he may surprise some people. We'll see what this kid can do once the season starts. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

[Hutch89 2,939]

I agree, but Nick's coming into the program this year the same as JB2, RoJo, Max, April, and Vanilla...

The folks on our squad that need some guidance the most are the 5 freshman coming in, and I think Nick's experiences would give them some effort to draw from in practice and during games.  5 freshman are a good chunk of the team and Yogi can't be expected to lead everyone into battle (although I think he could and will).

NZ will be valuable, and he's only here for 2 years!  I say that's a good addition.

and hey, what's worse would be not having another person to fill that 12th roster spot.

[JSHoosier 20,317]

No one said he will be a leader on the team. He possess leadership ability and hopefully he can use that to help the team. I understand and agree with your point about bringing in outside leadership, but I don't understand your reason for knocking this kid before anyone has even really seen him play. basketball4iu has seen him in the gym with the other players and has said he looks like he may surprise some people. We'll see what this kid can do once the season starts. Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

Actually, basketball4iu said he looks better than Priller and April.  Priller only had offers from the likes of Incarnate Word in May of his senior year while this kid was at least good enough for better than that, so I don't consider that too high of praise.  He also said April had potential but was a project.  Plus workouts with a team are a completely different beast than actual games.

 

This kid was just a decent shooter against bad competition.  I can't see that translating well to this level, especially not when the only B1G team he played shut him out completely.  Plus now we find out it's not just a one year deal, it's two.  Really?  If we're having to go after kids that weren't good against bad competition than this program isn't in as good of shape as people think.  We're not talking about kids the coach wanted despite better options, we're talking about kids the coach was forced to go after because the better options told him no.

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[quote name="JSHoosier" post="73457" timestamp="1404850295"]Actually, basketball4iu said he looks better than Priller and April. Priller only had offers from the likes of Incarnate Word in May of his senior year while this kid was at least good enough for better than that, so I don't consider that too high of praise. He also said April had potential but was a project. Plus workouts with a team are a completely different beast than actual games.

This kid was just a decent shooter against bad competition. I can't see that translating well to this level, especially not when the only B1G team he played shut him out completely. Plus now we find out it's not just a one year deal, it's two. Really? If we're having to go after kids that weren't good against bad competition than this program isn't in as good of shape as people think. We're not talking about kids the coach wanted despite better options, we're talking about kids the coach was forced to go after because the better options told him no.[/quote] Once again, no sense in blasting a kid that we haven't seen play. We've heard you say that you don't think he can cut from the moment this rumor started, move on. Welcome to the program, Nick.


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[JSHoosier 20,317]

Once again, no sense in blasting a kid that we haven't seen play. We've heard you say that you don't think he can cut from the moment this rumor started, move on. Welcome to the program, Nick.


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How could I possibly think a player that wasn't good against bad competition will be bad against good competition?  That's unfathomable.

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[quote name="JSHoosier" post="73460" timestamp="1404850865"]How could I possibly think a player that wasn't good against bad competition will be bad against good competition? That's unfathomable.[/quote] You just really don't get it sometimes. Have fun underneath your rain cloud.


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[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Trying to get leadership from outside the program may or may not work.  People said Evan Gordon would bring leadership and he was coming from a better conference than this kid is.  There is no guarantee the team will follow a kid that was nothing more than a role player on a bad team in a bad conference.

Since when did the ability of someone to lead depend on what conference they go to?

[Banksyrules 4,833]

I'll root for the like all Hoosiers , but this is a dumb move. We have enough guards. I'd rather save the schollie to try get a diamond in the rough guard in high school (sheehey, victor,hoetzel(sp?) . What a waste.


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[quote name="Banksyrules" post="73503" timestamp="1404860636"]I'll root for the like all Hoosiers , but this is a dumb move. We have enough guards. I'd rather save the schollie to try get a diamond in the rough guard in high school (sheehey, victor,hoetzel(sp?) . What a waste.


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So not using the scholarship is less of a waste then giving this kid a shot? Are there any uncommitted guys like victor or sheehey (top 150 3 stars) that IU is not going after because of nick?



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[Banksyrules 4,833]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="73504" timestamp="1404860925"]So not using the scholarship is less of a waste then giving this kid a shot? Are there any uncommitted guys like victor or sheehey (top 150 3 stars) that IU is not going after because of nick?



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If it takes away a scholarship for 2015, it is a total waste in a guard heavy team. If he is on a year deal, it still ticks me off because I'm tired of the lack of stability.


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If it takes away a scholarship for 2015, it is a total waste in a guard heavy team. If he is on a year deal, it still ticks me off because I'm tired of the lack of stability.


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It might take a scholarship away from 2015, it might not given that there are always transfers in every program; however, reality is that Crean is on the hot seat now and he knows this.  This season means a lot to whether he will be coach at Indiana in 2015-16.  If I am Crean what benefit do I get from pocketing a scholarship and fielding a thinner team in 2014-15 in hopes that I find someone who will come in for 2015-16 that can make a bigger impact than Nick who will be a 5th year senior with a full year under his belt at Indiana going into that season.  

 

It seems to me that hoping to find a better option for 2015-16 is a bit riskier than signing a kid who has dreamt at playing at Indiana, has D1 experience, is a good locker room guy and can shoot (and he can shoot 36% from 3 is nothing to scoff at and he hit 41% his freshman year.  For reference Matt Roth shot 38% in his first two actual full seasons).  

 

So yeah I do not think this is a dumb move, I think this is a prudent move and I think the people up in arms about taking a chance here are a bit myopic at this point

[Stuhoo 81,448]

^^Excellent use of the word "myopic"^^

 

That is a word that summarizes my feelings concerning the unwarranted negativity about this signing too.

[Banksyrules 4,833]

It might take a scholarship away from 2015, it might not given that there are always transfers in every program; however, reality is that Crean is on the hot seat now and he knows this.  This season means a lot to whether he will be coach at Indiana in 2015-16.  If I am Crean what benefit do I get from pocketing a scholarship and fielding a thinner team in 2014-15 in hopes that I find someone who will come in for 2015-16 that can make a bigger impact than Nick who will be a 5th year senior with a full year under his belt at Indiana going into that season.  

 

It seems to me that hoping to find a better option for 2015-16 is a bit riskier than signing a kid who has dreamt at playing at Indiana, has D1 experience, is a good locker room guy and can shoot (and he can shoot 36% from 3 is nothing to scoff at and he hit 41% his freshman year.  For reference Matt Roth shot 38% in his first two actual full seasons).  

 

So yeah I do not think this is a dumb move, I think this is a prudent move and I think the people up in arms about taking a chance here are a bit myopic at this point

First off it's a coaches job to find a "better option for 2015-16".  That's what 3 million a year should at least bring you. And if he can't, I'm really worried where we headed as a program who can't bring great talent.  I don't deny his shooting but we have guards in spades. With  SR, Yogi, Rj, Blackmon we really do have enough guards.  It's really nice that he's dreamt of playing at IU, but so what? We are not handing out gold stars for having dreams  This reeks of desperation and it's obtuse of people, like yourself, to keep blindly supporting decisions that lead to mediocrity.  

[CampHoosier 3,697]

This board is already going in to full meltdown mode and it's July. Can't wait for the game threads.


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