A program of excuses

[schoosier 3,451]

You are categorically making that up.  You have no idea what all those people booing had going on in their minds. You also don't know how the players felt when they got on the court and the booing started. You've been saying all sorts of crap on here, this one might just be at the bottom of the sewer.

Or it could be coming from the top of the mountain. I guess its whether you're a sunshine pumper that all will work out and Crean will lead us to a National Champs or a realist that looks at a National Champ and knows Crean will never lead us there. We both love IU basketball so there is some common ground, and I agree with you I don't know what everyone is thinking. I will say I've never heard an Indiana fan boo one of their own players and I think it was for Crean.

[JSHoosier 19,817]

Has it occurred to anybody that all of this "lack of accountability" is just another form of "coach speak"... Do people actually expect coaches to reflect publicly on their deficiencies and short comings? That just wouldn't be good for anyone. The program or themselves. You don't think behind closed doors Crean doesn't know when he f***s up? You don't think he works to improve that? You don't think he recognizes when he misses on the recruiting trail?

 

Crean and the staff knows more than any of us what is ACTUALLY wrong with the team/program. They're not going to air all of that in the media. 

Well when MSU lost to Nebraska Izzo publicly took blame, he said they weren't ready to play and that's his fault because he's the coach.  So yes coaches can.

 

I would hope Crean knows when he screws up, but yet nothing ever changes.  He still has mind boggling substitution patterns, he'll still leave in a lineup too long that had no business being in the game in the first place.

[HoosierD 504]

[quote name="schoosier" post="61702" timestamp="1398193865"]I haven't seen JB play so hard for me to know his game other than highlights. Our entry passes to the post have been terrible in the Crean years, so saying both Troy and Stan can do this is a stretch. Its also a stretch to say Hanner can finish based on 2 years of watching him play. I just made a comment based on how I think teams will play us next year if we have great shooters.[/quote]

Not talking about entry passes, I'm talking about when they drive and drop off a pass to a wide open teammate, which they have done plenty of times for it to not be a stretch. It's also not a stretch to say Hanner can finish a wide open dunk, but clearly trying to argue a point with you is a lost cause.


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[schoosier 3,451]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="61703" timestamp="1398193921"]BINGO.  Really do not understand what people want from Crean and Glass.  You ask them to give some answers as to why all this is happening and in the same breath you say no more excuses.  If they would have a big press conference with answers on why all this is happening you'd say they're just making excuses.[/quote I don't recall ever hearing a coach make excuses for winning. Winning big is what we want and what is expected at IU.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Or it could be coming from the top of the mountain. I guess its whether you're a sunshine pumper that all will work out and Crean will lead us to a National Champs or a realist that looks at a National Champ and knows Crean will never lead us there. We both love IU basketball so there is some common ground, and I agree with you I don't know what everyone is thinking. I will say I've never heard an Indiana fan boo one of their own players and I think it was for Crean.

 

 

You can make up any excuse you want for booing the players to make yourself feel better. It doesn't change the fact that you booed them though. Totally classless on your part and your posting on here has given me no reason to believe that this is not your standard behavior.  The kid walks out there all he's hearing is him getting booed by his own "fans." Totally classless behavior. No excuses for doing that. 

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

Well when MSU lost to Nebraska Izzo publicly took blame, he said they weren't ready to play and that's his fault because he's the coach.  So yes coaches can.

 

I would hope Crean knows when he screws up, but yet nothing ever changes.  He still has mind boggling substitution patterns, he'll still leave in a lineup too long that had no business being in the game in the first place.

Yea a bunch of good coaches do take the blame in the media. It rubs me wrong too when he puts it off on injuries/players/luck or doesnt own up to it. But thats just the way he is. I'm sure he privately recognizes things must change and just doesn't care to say so in the media. 

 

Different strokes for different folks. 

 

I think its all pretty moot at this point. Crean isnt going to change and we likely won't be worrying about it this time a year from now

[JSHoosier 19,817]

Yea a bunch of good coaches do take the blame in the media. It rubs me wrong too when he puts it off on injuries/players/luck or doesnt own up to it. But thats just the way he is. I'm sure he privately recognizes things must change and just doesn't care to say so in the media. 

 

Different strokes for different folks. 

 

I think its all pretty moot at this point. Crean isnt going to change and we likely won't be worrying about it this time a year from now

If he recognizes when he screws up and still does the same things it sounds a lot like the definition of insanity.

 

I do agree he won't change though.

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="61703" timestamp="1398193921"]BINGO.  Really do not understand what people want from Crean and Glass.  You ask them to give some answers as to why all this is happening and in the same breath you say no more excuses.  If they would have a big press conference with answers on why all this is happening you'd say they're just making excuses.[/quote

 

I don't recall ever hearing a coach make excuses for winning. Winning big is what we want and what is expected at IU.

 

What are you even talking about?

[schoosier 3,451]

Not talking about entry passes, I'm talking about when they drive and drop off a pass to a wide open teammate, which they have done plenty of times for it to not be a stretch. It's also not a stretch to say Hanner can finish a wide open dunk, but clearly trying to argue a point with you is a lost cause.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying and I agree there are two schools of thought. Stan and Troy will both have to prove they can shoot consistently as they can drive with the best of any in the B1G. Hanner can also dunk with the best so I'm fairly certain he would dunk from two feet away. Can he make post moves and finish or pass is the big question and in two years we haven't seen enough of this to answer yes. I am more than willing to discuss strategy and this is where I'm coming from.

[schoosier 3,451]

You can make up any excuse you want for booing the players to make yourself feel better. It doesn't change the fact that you booed them though. Totally classless on your part and your posting on here has given me no reason to believe that this is not your standard behavior.  The kid walks out there all he's hearing is him getting booed by his own "fans." Totally classless behavior. No excuses for doing that.

No excuses for booing the coach who can't create a rational sub pattern. The same vitriol you show towards anyone that doesn't share your views show exactly which one of us lacks the class you so highly value.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

No excuses for booing the coach who can't create a rational sub pattern. The same vitriol you show towards anyone that doesn't share your views show exactly which one of us lacks the class you so highly value.

 

 

You are a poster full of excuses for your own behavior but you expect better from others. You're right about one thing, you have shown repeatedly that you lack anything resembling class.

[JSHoosier 19,817]

So now you need an excuse to leave Marquette for Indiana?  Hmm…  I don't know about that.  

Yeah, I'm obviously far from the biggest Crean fan but that's a reach.  Who wouldn't leave Marquette for one of the top jobs in the country?

[mdn82 25,510]

Or it could be coming from the top of the mountain. I guess its whether you're a sunshine pumper that all will work out and Crean will lead us to a National Champs or a realist that looks at a National Champ and knows Crean will never lead us there. We both love IU basketball so there is some common ground, and I agree with you I don't know what everyone is thinking. I will say I've never heard an Indiana fan boo one of their own players and I think it was for Crean.

 

So, we are either a realist or a sunshine pumper eh?  That is what you call that?  If sounding like I am on the third day of a period with every breath I take is being a realist then I would rather be a sunshine pumper if you put it like that.  I can get my pot shot in too…  

Edit:  I know my humor is typically a little dry, so I will add I am just joking.  I just think it is unnecessary to add that in when that may be the single most idiotic statement on a sports site.  People disagree.  That is why we are able to discuss.  Because they don't want to slit their wrists over a recruiting coordinator leaving after 2 years not thinking it is the end of the world does not make them less of a realist.  Agree?  

[mdn82 25,510]

Yeah, I'm obviously far from the biggest Crean fan but that's a reach.  Who wouldn't leave Marquette for one of the top jobs in the country?

Hell, I would leave Marquette for probably 20+ schools.  Guess that would be an excuse.  

[JSHoosier 19,817]

Hell, I would leave Marquette for probably 20+ schools.  Guess that would be an excuse.  

Let me see, I'd leave there for:

 

Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, UCLA, Indiana, UCONN, Louisville, Michigan, Georgetown, Syracuse.  Not UK just because I don't even like stepping foot in the state.

 

Damn, I just listed 14 I'd leave for and that was without really thinking about.

[schoosier 3,451]

You are a poster full of excuses for your own behavior but you expect better from others. You're right about one thing, you have shown repeatedly that you lack anything resembling class.

No excuses from me for the third time which I think you read. No amount of you repeating it makes it true but keep changing the subject. Creaned got booed because he cannot sub. You brought up class or lack of so I don't need to defend it. But when you have to bring it up because you disagree with another poster shows you lack it. Why don't you defend Crean with the class you are so easily to point out to others. That's right, its getting very hard to keep with the company stance.

[mdn82 25,510]

Let me see, I'd leave there for:

 

Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, UCLA, Indiana, UCONN, Louisville, Michigan, Georgetown, Syracuse.  Not UK just because I don't even like stepping foot in the state.

 

Damn, I just listed 14 I'd leave for and that was without really thinking about.

 

Same as UL.  Can't step in that state.  I would probably pick Oregon due to facilities and Nike support.  Maybe a Stanford.  That would be a stretch.  NC State would be up there.  Texas would get good support.  

[mdn82 25,510]

No excuses from me for the third time which I think you read. No amount of you repeating it makes it true but keep changing the subject. Creaned got booed because he cannot sub. You brought up class or lack of so I don't need to defend it. But when you have to bring it up because you disagree with another poster shows you lack it. Why don't you defend Crean with the class you are so easily to point out to others. That's right, its getting very hard to keep with the company stance.

 

He can't sub?  He subs all of the time.   :help:

 

Edit:  IU41 we need a shit stirrer emoticon stat.  

[Hwy 1 2,053]

No excuses from me for the third time which I think you read. No amount of you repeating it makes it true but keep changing the subject. Creaned got booed because he cannot sub. You brought up class or lack of so I don't need to defend it. But when you have to bring it up because you disagree with another poster shows you lack it. Why don't you defend Crean with the class you are so easily to point out to others. That's right, its getting very hard to keep with the company stance.

 

 

Speaking of not keeping up, you still haven't figured out that you're making excuses about booing the players in a thread that you started to complain about making excuses. If you can't see it in yourself it's pretty hard to imagine than any discussion with you will ever be productive.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Schoosier I think you should take some time away from the keyboard and maybe just walk outisde and enjoy the beautiful day. Your extreme negativity is cleary appreciated by no one and is very, very poorly supported. Is there reason for concern with the state of our program? Yes. Is there cause for the condemnation of Indiana, Indiana basketball, CTC, Fred Glass and the countless other subjects you've named? Absolutely not. Not when we are one year removed from a B1G Championship and with highly ranked recruiting classes 3 years in a row now. Your reaction is much more suitable for a fan of Rutgers basketball which actually is in a world of hurt with very little to look forward to. You can continue to argue every single person about why we're all just stupid "sunshine pumpers" but at some point you might think about cooling off a bit.


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