Tom Crean Poll

[protectthishouse 162]

I just want a coach that can properly prepare a team to face a zone defense. Whether Crean figures it out or next coach up has the formula, it needs to happen. We lost to too many teams that were not as good as us because we can't handle a zone defense.

[BoroHoosier33 1]

That was a mistake too!!!

[mdn82 25,546]

[quote name="protectthishouse" post="46157" timestamp="1394402978"]I just want a coach that can properly prepare a team to face a zone defense. Whether Crean figures it out or next coach up has the formula, it needs to happen. We lost to too many teams that were not as good as us because we can't handle a zone defense.[/quote]. To play devils advocate if the zone was an easy defense to figure out it would not be ran at this level with the consistency it is.


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[Hovadipo 56,974]

[quote name="mdn82" post="46178" timestamp="1394408289"]. To play devils advocate if the zone was an easy defense to figure out it would not be ran at this level with the consistency it is.


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Exactly. Crean isn't the only one who can't figure them out. Especially Boeheim's. You can probably count on 1 hand who has figured out his.


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[bronkonagurski 894]

Exactly. Crean isn't the only one who can't figure them out. Especially Boeheim's. You can probably count on 1 hand who has figured out his.


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That and our team isn't well equipped to beat a zone anyways. 

[Hovadipo 56,974]

[quote name="bronkonagurski" post="46181" timestamp="1394409962"]That and our team isn't well equipped to beat a zone anyways. [/quote]

That's very true. I just wish the entire blame didn't fall on Crean for not being able to beat the zone. Very few can.


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[HoosierAloha 30,077]

That's very true. I just wish the entire blame didn't fall on Crean for not being able to beat the zone. Very few can.


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That would take people not being so simple minded, for some that is very difficult to do....

[mdn82 25,546]

That and our team isn't well equipped to beat a zone anyways. 

Also very true.  If we were an easier team to beat in man to man, people would run it all of the time.  Our offense (loose term at times) is made to create switching issues.  In the zone, you play an area.  That is why I would like to see Crean go to the flex more like he did against UM.  That was beautiful to watch, and kept players moving.  It wasn't run exclusively against a zone or anything like that, but we got the ball to the free throw line and had players diving from all angles.  When a team goes to zone, that would work.  

[mdn82 25,546]

He could have taken the Missouri job if he wanted to.

He should have.  

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

That's very true. I just wish the entire blame didn't fall on Crean for not being able to beat the zone. Very few can.


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Jim Boeheim has been running a zone very successfully for a long time. Not beating Syracuse in any particular game can't be looked at as a major issue for the coach. What bothers me, is that every time we face a good zone we look absolutely anemic. Without a doubt, many a good team has looked that way against the Syracuse zone. However, I would like to see some signs that we have a gameplan to attack the weaknesses of a zone, which I don't. Its obvious that our standard offensive approach is not successful against the zone. Now whether that's because CTC can't get his team to understand and execute the plan he puts together, or he just can't find a decent way to gameplan against the one is my big question.

[Hovadipo 56,974]

[quote name="HoosierReb01" post="46195" timestamp="1394412946"]Jim Boeheim has been running a zone very successfully for a long time. Not beating Syracuse in any particular game can't be looked at as a major issue for the coach. What bothers me, is that every time we face a good zone we look absolutely anemic. Without a doubt, many a good team has looked that way against the Syracuse zone. However, I would like to see some signs that we have a gameplan to attack the weaknesses of a zone, which I don't. Its obvious that our standard offensive approach is not successful against the zone. Now whether that's because CTC can't get his team to understand and execute the plan he puts together, or he just can't find a decent way to gameplan against the one is my big question.[/quote]

I totally agree with this. I'm not saying that Crean is completely free of blame, it's just that people expect us to beat Syracuse like it's a foregone conclusion, but that is rarely the case with anyone against them. Seeing us perform better against much less effective zones would be nice, but we have yet to really see that. I refuse to believe he simply doesn't know how to beat it, it just looks like he has trouble relaying the info to the players. The Syracuse thing just bothers me.


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[trailrunner 49]

I think Donovan would be a good hire, but I'd have a hard time seeing him leave Florida.  Good program in a power conference, and his only consistent competition in hoops is UK and even they've struggled the last couple years.

 

He will always play third fiddle to Florida football and spring football. I would make him an offer he could not refuse. If we pay Crean 3 million for this trainwreck offer Donovan some Calipari money and let's hang some banners fellas. Money talks and Donovan would relish the competition in our conference. But he may like that warm climate too much.

[JSHoosier 20,526]

He will always play third fiddle to Florida football and spring football. I would make him an offer he could not refuse. If we pay Crean 3 million for this trainwreck offer Donovan some Calipari money and let's hang some banners fellas. Money talks and Donovan would relish the competition in our conference. But he may like that warm climate too much.

That is true, he will and I could see him maybe liking being at a school in a state where basketball reigns supreme.  He does have a good thing going right now so I'd think it'd be hard to convince him to leave sunny Florida to move to the middle of a fly over state with bipolar weather.  University of Miami sent me a letter when I was in high school, and the thought was temping but in the end I didn't even apply because I'm a Hoosier boy that had dreams of attending IU not a successful basketball coach with a good gig in a good climate.

 

I do think it'd be a good hire, but it would take a mountain of cash on top of the mountain of cash that is Crean's buyout.  Even that may not be enough to get him to leave Florida.

[Hovadipo 56,974]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="46242" timestamp="1394428026"]That is true, he will and I could see him maybe liking being at a school in a state where basketball reigns supreme. He does have a good thing going right now so I'd think it'd be hard to convince him to leave sunny Florida to move to the middle of a fly over state with bipolar weather. University of Miami sent me a letter when I was in high school, and the thought was temping but in the end I didn't even apply because I'm a Hoosier boy that had dreams of attending IU not a successful basketball coach with a good gig in a good climate.

I do think it'd be a good hire, but it would take a mountain of cash on top of the mountain of cash that is Crean's buyout. Even that may not be enough to get him to leave Florida.[/quote]

Eh living in that part of Florida can't be all that great. I've been to Gainesville and it's a beautiful town/city, but you might as well live in Nebraska if you don't live near the coast. Either way, I think he is a lifer at Florida, regardless of what anyone throws at him.


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[CottageGrove 563]

Didn't Donovan turn down Kentucky a few years ago? If he turned down UK I can't imagine he would be interested in coming to IU. Of course, if IU has an opening you make the call, but I would think it's quite a long shot.

 

As for the basketball school vs football school thing, I can see that it would be irritating to see empty seats in the gym as the coach at UF. But the pressure is lower there, the talent level in Florida is probably, on average, similar to the talent level in Indiana, the football money ensures that UF has great facilities, the conference is easier, and then there's the weather. I'm not saying that it should be considered a better job, on the whole, than IU, but I can see why he might view it as a better job.

[LIHoosier 26,641]

Didn't Donovan turn down Kentucky a few years ago? If he turned down UK I can't imagine he would be interested in coming to IU. Of course, if IU has an opening you make the call, but I would think it's quite a long shot.

 

As for the basketball school vs football school thing, I can see that it would be irritating to see empty seats in the gym as the coach at UF. But the pressure is lower there, the talent level in Florida is probably, on average, similar to the talent level in Indiana, the football money ensures that UF has great facilities, the conference is easier, and then there's the weather. I'm not saying that it should be considered a better job, on the whole, than IU, but I can see why he might view it as a better job.

I don't know about UK, but Donovan was halfway to Orlando before realizing that

1) Dwight Howard is a nutjob and

2) Once he left, it would be at least a 3-4 year re-build there.

[CottageGrove 563]

Found this regarding Donovan & UK from 2007, when Tubby left for Minnesota.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2827370

 

The best part is about half way down where Forde writes about who people were clamoring for and against on Catspause. Crean gets mentioned twice, one for and one against.

 

*Edited for grammar.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

One thing I feel like we should mention, is when Indiana wins, other fan based don't go crazy about their coach getting out coached. Well all have seen a lot of our team this year and we know when they struggle.

If in ANY other coach,
- I press the inbounds pass at all times
- SLOW THE GAME DOWN
- Pack the lane
- Win 90% of the time.


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[Rayl 527]

I'd argue that we don't really struggle against teams that slow the game down. That's just the result of a bigger issue. We struggle against teams that are effective at defending dribble penetration. It slows us down because we don't get what we want early in the shot clock. The big issue to me is that we don't have a good backup plan when we can't use the dribble to penetrate. Crean doesn't seem to have any other way to break down the defense in the playbook, or at least he hasn't been effective at teaching it to his players.

[mdn82 25,546]

[quote name="Rayl" post="46270" timestamp="1394468056"]I'd argue that we don't really struggle against teams that slow the game down. That's just the result of a bigger issue. We struggle against teams that are effective at defending dribble penetration. It slows us down because we don't get what we want early in the shot clock. The big issue to me is that we don't have a good backup plan when we can't use the dribble to penetrate. Crean doesn't seem to have any other way to break down the defense in the playbook, or at least he hasn't been effective at teaching it to his players.[/quote]I would agree and add that is why I was happy to see us go to a variation of a flex offense against UM when the initial weave was empty. We may have lost, but if we could do that to a degree we could be really good next year. The one problem it creates is it is not good for a true post player offensively.


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