About to Turn the Corner

[Stuhoo 79,586]

Seeing Doc Libby's words crystallized my mindset about our young Hoosiers:

 

Get ready to have some fun y'all; this team is about to turn the corner. It starts this week at home against Penn State, and it keeps getting better thereafter. It won't be perfect, but it's about to be really fun.

 

Get ready Hoosier Nation; we're closer than you think.

Get ready Hoosier Nation; our three key freshmen have enough minutes under their belts.

Get ready Hoosier Nation; Hanner is starting to feel more comfortable and use his athleticism

Get ready Hoosier Nation: Jeremy is starting to shoot with confidence.

 

Pull this thread or give me a virtual pummeling if it proves completely off-base, but get ready...

 

Here come some wins.

[Hovadipo 54,963]

Love it. I'm ready!


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[djsalway 4,161]

Troy is starting to find his niche in the offense, too. We could easily win our next 4. I agree, get excited!

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

I can see it happening just as you describe, the problem is I can also see the exact opposite happening!


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[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

It's Feb 10th, if it's gonna happen this year then it needs to get started now. Many of you would a agree that we needed to win 2 out of the next 3 games, including our recent Minnesota loss, to get to .500 in the conference and sniff the tourney. So these next two games are obviously critical.

 

All this team really needs to "turn the corner" is lower turnovers to a respectable rate. Not league-leading, but we are currently league-worst right now I believe and a middle of the road turnover rate would have us with a couple more in the W column already.

 

It's hard for me to imagine the rate improving though, at least on a consistent basis. We see flashes here and there and then we see Saturday's result with another 25% TO rate.

 

The bad habits may take an offseason to correct unfortunately.

[jmhoosier7 11]

Hope Doc Libby is right!

[hoosiers62 4]

 

Well, i guess we just sweep the Gopher game under the rug, you think we can win the next 4?  We could easily lose out for the same reasons you quote.  I was very surprised with what I expect in our first half play against the Gophers but how could we just disappear in the second half?  I live in Minnesota and I get tired of getting beat up by these Gophers it sucks

 

[hoosiers62 4]

We are on a w/l/w/l  kind of move, so that makes a Penn State win at home, Purdue loss on the road for the next two.  We still have to play 3 of the top 4 teams with two on the road and throw in NW on the road too.  If we could learn and take the Big Ten tourney that would be awesome.  Whatever, now, what does everyone think about Vonleh leaving next year?  Starting over again in the middle

[Stuhoo 79,586]

We are on a w/l/w/l  kind of move, so that makes a Penn State win at home, Purdue loss on the road for the next two.  We still have to play 3 of the top 4 teams with two on the road and throw in NW on the road too.  If we could learn and take the Big Ten tourney that would be awesome.  Whatever, now, what does everyone think about Vonleh leaving next year?  Starting over again in the middle

 

We will win the next two and then pull of a road win while holding home court. Besides, NW has always been a semi-home game with all of the cream and crimson that attend.

 

 

 

 

We are on a w/l/w/l  kind of move, so that makes a Penn State win at home, Purdue loss on the road for the next two.  We still have to play 3 of the top 4 teams with two on the road and throw in NW on the road too.  If we could learn and take the Big Ten tourney that would be awesome.  Whatever, now, what does everyone think about Vonleh leaving next year?  Starting over again in the middle

 

This thread is "About to Turn the Corner". Want to discuss Vonleh leaving and starting over again in the middle?

WRONG THREAD.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="36847" timestamp="1392062206"]We will win the next two and then pull of a road win while holding home court. Besides, NW has always been a semi-home game with all of the cream and crimson that attend. ----------------------- I think it's gonna be tougher to win at NW considering what they did to us at AH than it will be to win at Michigan.

[Stuhoo 79,586]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="36847" timestamp="1392062206"]We will win the next two and then pull of a road win while holding home court. Besides, NW has always been a semi-home game with all of the cream and crimson that attend.
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I think it's gonna be tougher to win at NW considering what they did to us at AH than it will be to win at Michigan.

 

I understand why you feel that way (based on the results of our games against them this year), but I strongly disagree.

 

NW has played well at times including when they were at Assembly Hall, but they are not nearly as good a team as Michigan.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="36851" timestamp="1392063058"]I understand why you feel that way (based on the results of or games against them this year), but I strongly disagree. NW has played well at times including when they were at Assembly Hall, but they are not nearly as good a team as Michigan.[/quote] I'm also basing it off of styles of play. I like our chances more against UM because we can get out and run. We won't be able to do that against NW and that scares me especially on the road even with a pro IU crowd. Even last years team sort of struggled at NW because they brought it to a half court game. You may be right though and I hope we can win in Evanston.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

I've been feeling that we are on the upswing the past few games. Even in the Nebraska game, I saw some improvement... In the first half at least. Also, now that some of the frustration from Saturday night has died down, I feel that I saw much improvement in the team in both last weeks games and it gives me optimism moving forward that we should be able to play well especially at home and hopefully be just good enough to pull out the PU and NW games on the road. All I know is that if this team continues to improve they will be march monsters who nobody will wanna face. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Stuhoo 79,586]

I'm also basing it off of styles of play. I like our chances more against UM because we can get out and run. We won't be able to do that against NW and that scares me especially on the road even with a pro IU crowd. Even last years team sort of struggled at NW because they brought it to a half court game. You may be right though and I hope we can win in Evanston.

 

I'm not sure we're always at our best when we run too much. For instance, Yogi is our only player that consistently has the ability to hit a three in transition. I know that CTC is a big proponent of getting out and running, but I'm pretty sure he is also a big proponent of "running smart".

 

NW is still not a racehorse team, but they aren't "Carmody slow" anymore.

[OliviaPope40 6,426]

Looks like I will join the party.

[Scooter D 928]

I love the positive attitude, but can someone provide some kind of explanation that is grounded in some kind of logic that explains why IU is about turn the corner?

We have 8 games left, 4 home, 4 away. In the last 2 road games they have blown double digit, first half leads and both were winnable games. Considering past performance, the best that we can hope for is an 8-10 conference record and that would mean beating Iowa at home. I want to believe. Someone give me something.

[Hovadipo 54,963]

[quote name="Scooter D" post="36997" timestamp="1392093672"]I love the positive attitude, but can someone provide some kind of explanation that is grounded in some kind of logic that explains why IU is about turn the corner?

We have 8 games left, 4 home, 4 away. In the last 2 road games they have blown double digit, first half leads and both were winnable games. Considering past performance, the best that we can hope for is an 8-10 conference record and that would mean beating Iowa at home. I want to believe. Someone give me something.[/quote]

To me, it's the hope (and really inevitability) that at some point, we will combine the first half at Nebraska with the first half at Minnesota and completely crush someone. That could be the confidence builder that this team needs to just put everything together and have that "light bulb moment".


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[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

[quote name="Hovadipo" post="36999" timestamp="1392093935"]To me, it's the hope (and really inevitability) that at some point, we will combine the first half at Nebraska with the first half at Minnesota and completely crush someone. That could be the confidence builder that this team needs to just put everything together and have that "light bulb moment".


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At Purdue. We have to beat them 6 times in a row to beat their streak on us from when we were in the dumps.


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[Stuhoo 79,586]

I love the positive attitude, but can someone provide some kind of explanation that is grounded in some kind of logic that explains why IU is about turn the corner?

We have 8 games left, 4 home, 4 away. In the last 2 road games they have blown double digit, first half leads and both were winnable games. Considering past performance, the best that we can hope for is an 8-10 conference record and that would mean beating Iowa at home. I want to believe. Someone give me something.

 

Well stated; let me try to give some 'grounded in logic' evidence toward my prediction:

 

Primarily it is because we are starting three immensely talented freshmen, two of whom spent much of the first half of the season all but lost on defense. Especially Noah. It is no accident that Noah was pulled on defense for Jeff Howard during crunch time earlier this year. Doesn't happen anymore. Do you think it's because Jeff Howard has regressed? Nope, it's because while Noah still sometimes gets lost on the pick and roll and with helpside defense, he has progressed a lot. A LOT. We're also not seeing him in much foul trouble anymore.

 

Troy is still a turnover liability, but less so. He is starting to provide helpside defense, and as the game slows down for him he is rebounding outside his area far more often.

 

Hanner, who is essentially also a freshman in minutes played, is starting to show more and more athleticism. Think that's an accident? It's because the game is slowing down for him.

 

Jeremy is no longer a turnover machine, and is starting to show his better attributes: shooting touch and the ability to effectively guard multiple positions.

 

Also, Yogi rocks and is now supremely confident when we need to clear out with an expiring shot clock. He looks like I've read he operated when he was the alpha dog at Park Tudor.To be fair, Yogi's excellence has been a fairly consistent theme throughout the year.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N 1,867]

Well stated; let me try to give some 'grounded in logic' evidence toward my prediction:

 

Primarily it is because we are starting three immensely talented freshmen, two of whom spent much of the first half of the season all but lost on defense. Especially Noah. It is no accident that Noah was pulled on defense for Jeff Howard during crunch time earlier this year. Doesn't happen anymore. Do you think it's because Jeff Howard has regressed? Nope, it's because while Noah still sometimes gets lost on the pick and roll and with helpside defense, has progressed a lot. A LOT. We're also not seeing him in much foul  trouble anymore.

 

Troy is still a turnover liability, but less so. He is starting to provide helpside defense, and as the game slows down for him is rebounding outside his area far more often.

 

Hanner, who is essentially also a freshman in minutes played, is starting to show more and more athleticism. Think that's an accident? It's because the game is slowing down for him.

 

Jeremy is no longer a turnover machine, and is starting to show his better attributes: shooting touch and the ability to effectively guard multiple positions.

 

Also, Yogi rocks and is now supremely confident when we need to clear out with an expiring shot clock. He looks like I've read he operated when he was the alpha dog at Park Tudor.To be fair, Yogi's excellence has been a fairly consistent theme throughout the year.

 

+1. I do wonder tho if Jeremy is no longer a turnover machine simply because he barely plays or if he's actually making better decisions.