Thoughts on Crowd Booing CTC/ Players?

[mdn82 25,546]

True Hoosier I was greeted the same way by the thought police who don't like someone who doesn't very carefully craft thoughtful criticisms of the team and coach that won't result in any players or coaches being sad. You will be called classless and demoted to the mean spirited minority. I really enjoy the youthful ignorance on display because someday life experience will help them self adjust. They didn't live through greatness like we did so they have no platform from which to understand RMK and the spirit of that era when we walked around all puffy chested because we were the ***** of the walk. They read about in a few books and heard stories but never bathed in Showalter fountain. Good luck!


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Lol.  So, let me get this straight.  Anyone who disagrees with you is the thought police?  You older guys think the younger crowd is sensitive?  That is the part that makes me LMAO.  I will agree with the rest of your post.  I am only old enough to remember one title and was alive for 2.  My favorite basketball is being in the Damon Bailey title crowd, just because I knew he was coming to IU next year.  Honestly, you are correct.  That was the end of the "fun" times of IU.  I was aware of the tail end of it.  When players like Brian Evans sat the bench as a Freshman, because experience was more important than raw talent.  Unfortunately times change.  I have said it before, and I will say it again, I don't know if Crean can get us further than he has.  I like the analogy of he brought us out of oblivion, but the next question is can he take us to the next level?  I think he can win a title if the stars align.  But, I don't think he could win multiple titles.  I think other coaches like Brad Stevens if given the talent could.  Crean does not allow for any consistency currently and previously (with better talent) due to his substitutions and sets.  I think the players he recruits are mainly 2-4 yr players.  I think the problem he will encounter the way he recruits is he will have a solid team maybe 2 out of 4 years.  As you and I both know, that will not cut it at IU.  The season is not over.  This team was never going to go anywhere, but they need to make the tournament.  IU under normal circumstances does not miss out on that.  That got Davis fired.  Different AD's, but that seat better be hot if that is the case.  

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Sometimes, its not your position, but your disposition. If anybody feels like the "thought police" are running these forums, I would like some actual examples. As long as it doesn't get personal, different viewpoints are encouraged here. If your idea of free discussion is that nobody can disagree with you, this ain't the place for you. Go start your own forum, lock everybody else out, and preach to the walls. I really don't care to read  bitching about the fact that everybody isn't lining up and patting someone on the back for their strongly expressed opinions. Express them, discuss them, and just expect that there are going to be dissenting opinions. 

[Frodaddy10 83]

[quote name="mdn82" post="35330" timestamp="1391562130"]Lol. So, let me get this straight. Anyone who disagrees with you is the thought police? You older guys think the younger crowd is sensitive? That is the part that makes me LMAO. I will agree with the rest of your post.

Listen, just sharing my experience after making a strongly opinionated post as my first post, and saw it here again today. The only person wanting group think are the ones telling posters they won't be happy or welcome here for the opinions or the way they express them. Go back and look at the same thing go down repeatedly for new strongly opinionated posters. They are first vilified as trolls and then it is born out that they actually have value after being assaulted for having their voice.
That they are in the minority, etc. one of the reasons I enjoy message board is that I enjoy debate and don't mind the conflict process of hashing out positions. I find it stimulating and educational, as well as entertainment. You can continue LYAO at the absurdity of my comments or you can learn a little something from them as I do yours and everyone else's.


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[JaybobHoosier 11,928]

Sometimes, its not your position, but your disposition. If anybody feels like the "thought police" are running these forums, I would like some actual examples. As long as it doesn't get personal, different viewpoints are encouraged here. If your idea of free discussion is that nobody can disagree with you, this ain't the place for you. Go start your own forum, lock everybody else out, and preach to the walls. I really don't care to read bitching about the fact that everybody isn't lining up and patting someone on the back for their strongly expressed opinions. Express them, discuss them, and just expect that there are going to be dissenting opinions.

His comments could be towards me. I told him his constant negativity was getting old, and how he only shows up to post negative stuff. There's a big difference in criticism and constant negativity. Posters are getting tired of all the constant whining and negativity. It gets old.

 

The mods here are great at letting people give their opinions, but its obvious to point out when people have an agenda. You will be called out, and be dealt with if it doesn't stop. I've had two awesome posters tell me how they quit posting because of agenda driven posters and constant negativity. Your opinions are encouraged, but I don't care what you tell me, agendas are easy to point out in compared to criticism. Quite frankly, the agendas WILL be dealt with.

 

This whole thought police and can't give your opinion stuff is crap. People are making these excuses because they have an agenda, don't care about others' opinions, or have no respect for forum rules and guidelines. That's it. I'm not losing anymore posters because people can't be mature on a freaking message board. Seriously people!? We are all adults, why can't we act like it?  If you don't like how our board is, then either abide by our rules or go! This board is to be family friendly, and allow all opinions. Guidelines and rules are in place for a reason. Boards fall apart with them!

 

True, this isn't directed at you. I've never had a problem with you before. This post goes for everyone! Follow the rules, be respectful/mature, and act reasonable. Not hard to do! Leave the agendas on another board, it's not happening here!!!

 

Yes, I'm ticked when I've had two long-term posters leave because a handful of people this board not worth posting. This message is harsh, but I'm sick of what I said above.

 

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[mdn82 25,546]

[quote name="mdn82" post="35330" timestamp="1391562130"]Lol. So, let me get this straight. Anyone who disagrees with you is the thought police? You older guys think the younger crowd is sensitive? That is the part that makes me LMAO. I will agree with the rest of your post.

Listen, just sharing my experience after making a strongly opinionated post as my first post, and saw it here again today. The only person wanting group think are the ones telling posters they won't be happy or welcome here for the opinions or the way they express them. Go back and look at the same thing go down repeatedly for new strongly opinionated posters. They are first vilified as trolls and then it is born out that they actually have value after being assaulted for having their voice.
That they are in the minority, etc. one of the reasons I enjoy message board is that I enjoy debate and don't mind the conflict process of hashing out positions. I find it stimulating and educational, as well as entertainment. You can continue LYAO at the absurdity of my comments or you can learn a little something from them as I do yours and everyone else's.


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No, its when they have to throw an insult to start an opinion because they know they are in the minority.  That is when people take issue with that person.  I do enjoy debating with posters.  That is the point of places like this.  Just because that opinion doesn't jive with yours or others, doesn't make me a Pollyanna, or a Cookie what the hell ever.  So, kind of what you take issue with, we do as well.  It is annoying.  That was how his post started.  I didn't really disagree with everything he said.  I take issue as a poster and a mod of someone who thinks they need to start a post that way.  Just the same as you take issue with someone calling that poster a troll.  I called his comment a trolling comment because of those things he said.  There is no other reason to put that in his comment unless he is trolling for a response.  Its not the content I had beef with.  That is what is so hard to get through to you guys that have polarizing views.  They are great for a board.  Agreeing is boring.  Its the side crap that we get tired of.  

[mdn82 25,546]

Jayboob, can I like your post twice?  I sort of said the same thing, just a little late.  

[Frodaddy10 83]

Sometimes people are generally upset and express their raw feelings in a place that they think is a place they 'belong'. This is about IU basketball and was sought out for that reason. Yeah, sometimes it's harsh and deserves a 'chill out' but from my perspective it's the overreaction to the substance that's disconcerting. Saying its time for Crean to go may seem over the top, but to others it's more than appropriate. Last season ended up as an epic failure to many, and this year has disappointed plenty, so it seems reasonable there would be much more negativity. So, maybe you're right after all, maybe he was trolling for a reaction. Maybe something along the lines of I feel for ya brother, this is truly painful for all of us who love the Hoosiers. Sure, you can pick and choose who YOU value more as a poster, I'd suggest probably those whose position you identify more with, but just because you choose them doesn't mean True Hoosier or anyone else with a differing opinion is any less valuable. Keep on keepin on, because regardless of how I feel about your posts or position the group is better for having all of them.


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[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Just a note on "carefully crafted criticisms", there is a time and a place to be blunt and call a spade a spade. Dealing with people who always think they have to be super sweet and never offending is often irritating, but dealing with people who who feel a need to be blunt and obnoxious is also. "Carefully crafted criticisms" is often just a matter of showing some respect for other peoples beliefs and ideas. Most of us are not idiots, we don't need someone to be as obnoxious as hell in order to get a point across. I read opinions on here all of the time that have me scratching my head, shaking my head, and sometimes banging my head, but I do try to be careful about how I respond. Just because this is a internet message board and we are basically anonymous, does not mean that we should leave good manners and common courtesy at the door.

[JaybobHoosier 11,928]

It's not at all about differing opinions, that's the furthest from my viewpoints. It's delivery, agenda, and constant negativity. That's all. Maturity should not be absent on a message board. Nothing wrong with giving expressions and feelings, but you have to abide by forum rules. Constant negativity hurts the board, and won't be allowed.

[TrueHoosier62 1,593]

Jesus, this is nuts. I wrote a scathing opinion, based on the topic, and got villified for daring to call it as I see it. Do i sometimes see things as "black and white"? Sometimes, I sure as hell do. So pull up your big boy pants and get over it.

The responses to my original post were far more demeaning, smarmy, and belittling, (not that I care one iota, but as a matter of observation), than anything that I wrote. I might also point out that I was providing my opinon on CTC, not on any one person on this forum as the rebuttals clearly were aimed solely at me.

Disagree with me all you want, but don't question my motives or intentions or accuse me of being a troll simply because my arguments piss you off. Save that word for the people who you know for a fact are only here trolling, not for those who've been here for a number of years and you just don't like what they have to say. Additionally, If we're going to allow people to speak their minds here, (and I believe that you do encourage that), then the replies have to be disagreements in principle, not avenues to denegrate or dismiss dissentors. Otherwise, you can hardly expect things to not escalate in a hurry, be it this thread or any other.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="35321" timestamp="1391558050"]I was a few months old when we won our last title, and I'm as hard on Crean as anyone. I look at his track record of 15 years, and see that 14 of them ended in mediocrity (at best) and I'm not convinced he can get us back to a Final Four.[/quote]

I'm not convinced either. He certainly has his faults and deserves criticism.

I'm just glad I don't have to support an irrelevant loser anymore, which is why I'm a little easier on Crean than others.


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[cappymo14 2,276]

...ahem...   Let's talk some hoops eh?  

[Frodaddy10 83]

[quote name="JaybobHoosier" post="35354" timestamp="1391567545"]It's not at all about differing opinions, that's the furthest from my viewpoints. It's delivery, agenda, and constant negativity. That's all. Maturity should not be absent on a message board. Nothing wrong with giving expressions and feelings, but you have to abide by forum rules. Constant negativity hurts the board, and won't be allowed.[/quote]i don't think I understand what you mean by 'agenda', please elaborate if you will.


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[cappymo14 2,276]

i don't think I understand what you mean by 'agenda', please elaborate if you will.


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a·gen·da

 [ ə jéndə ]   

 

1. list of things to do: a formal list of things to be done in a specific order, especially a list of things to be discussed at a meeting
2. matters needing attention: the various matters that somebody needs to deal with at a specific time
3. personal motivation: an underlying personal viewpoint or bias to attract attention

[cappymo14 2,276]

Now, let's talk some hoops, shall we?

 

So, in regards to the negative crowd reaction, I will say that I had never seen it's like in over 20 years during an IU game.  What scares me the most is, by what I've seen here, it will continue to happen.  I tell you, it scares me right down to the core, that many people now believe we can influence coaching decisions, by booing our own team.  Whether you supported it or not, and I confess I likely would have, nothing positive can come from its continued use.  If as I fear, it keeps happening, then we the fans, not the coaching staff, will be responsible for ultimately destroying this once great program.  I urge all of you to refrain from these actions while at the games as it is a stain on this program.

 

Damn, look at that, I derailed the thread.  Hope I don't get a warning.