What are your feelings on Coach Crean?

[All_Hoosiers 873]

Here's one guys thoughts:

http://indianauniverse.com/2014/01/youre-asking-the-wrong-question/


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[JSHoosier 20,297]

what in the world? A. Crean has been to a final four. B. By your logic, no head coach is a good recruiter...assistants do a lot of the work on every staff. And Crean got yogi and Cody before Johnson got here.

Mike Davis went to a Final Four, and no one will ever confuse him for a good coach.

 

Crean's record at Marquette is pretty mediocre.  His one good year was surrounded by never getting past the second round if he made the tourament at all, and he actually followed the Final Four up by missing the tournament two years in a row.  So far in his career, 15 years, that one run is the outlier with a trend of mediocre results.  Truth be told, when you look it up he didn't improve Marquette as much as people seem to think.

 

Here's one guys thoughts:

http://indianauniverse.com/2014/01/youre-asking-the-wrong-question/


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His thoughts are basically absolving Crean of any responsibility though.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crean is the head coach so at the end of the day everything is his responsibility.  If his message doesn't get through to the players, it's still his fault because that is part of his job.

[ejc6886 3]

Mike Davis went to a Final Four, and no one will ever confuse him for a good coach.

 

Crean's record at Marquette is pretty mediocre.  His one good year was surrounded by never getting past the second round if he made the tourament at all, and he actually followed the Final Four up by missing the tournament two years in a row.  So far in his career, 15 years, that one run is the outlier with a trend of mediocre results.  Truth be told, when you look it up he didn't improve Marquette as much as people seem to think.

 

His thoughts are basically absolving Crean of any responsibility though.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, Crean is the head coach so at the end of the day everything is his responsibility.  If his message doesn't get through to the players, it's still his fault because that is part of his job.

 

I agree with everything you said here, and Mike Davis did take us to the final four, but those were Bob Knight's players 

[JSHoosier 20,297]

I agree with everything you said here, and Mike Davis did take us to the final four, but those were Bob Knight's players 

I know they were.  My point was that just because Crean went to a Final Four doesn't mean he's a good coach, or that he can get back.  Mike Davis got there, he's sure as hell not a good coach and he hasn't been back.

 

Right now, Crean is little more than a better spoken Mike Davis.

[ejc6886 3]

I know they were.  My point was that just because Crean went to a Final Four doesn't mean he's a good coach, or that he can get back.  Mike Davis got there, he's sure as hell not a good coach and he hasn't been back.

 

Right now, Crean is little more than a better spoken Mike Davis.

 

Ok, was just pointing that out, seems alot of people have forgotten over the years when they bring up Davis. And I agree with you about Crean and I will even go one step farther since we are on the topic. I feel that if he could not take us to the final four last year with the talent that we had, then he never will. 

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Ok, was just pointing that out, seems alot of people have forgotten over the years when they bring up Davis. And I agree with you about Crean and I will even go one step farther since we are on the topic. I feel that if he could not take us to the final four last year with the talent that we had, then he never will. 

 

I'm not ready to give up quite yet.  This season was going to be a rough one.  Some of us might not have wanted to believe it, but we all knew deep down this had the makings of being a tough season to watch.  That is starting to come to light now.

 

This season is by no means over, but I'll assume we aren't going to make the tournament.  I'll hope for a Final 4 in the NIT to get the team some positive momentum in the off season and have a chance to seriously contend next season with the Final Four in Indianapolis and JBJ, RJ & MH coming in to fill GIANT voids on this team.  

 

---Prayer Break,  Dear Jesus, PLEASE make sure Noah comes back next season.  Prayer Break over---

 

It's a championship contending team next season with Noah back.  Without him, JBJ & Company better hit a TON of threes.  Our inside game will be atrocious. 

[JSHoosier 20,297]

I'm not ready to give up quite yet.  This season was going to be a rough one.  Some of us might not have wanted to believe it, but we all knew deep down this had the makings of being a tough season to watch.  That is starting to come to light now.

 

This season is by no means over, but I'll assume we aren't going to make the tournament.  I'll hope for a Final 4 in the NIT to get the team some positive momentum in the off season and have a chance to seriously contend next season with the Final Four in Indianapolis and JBJ, RJ & MH coming in to fill GIANT voids on this team.  

 

---Prayer Break,  Dear Jesus, PLEASE make sure Noah comes back next season.  Prayer Break over---

 

It's a championship contending team next season with Noah back.  Without him, JBJ & Company better hit a TON of threes.  Our inside game will be atrocious. 

This season shouldn't be this rough.  I expected around a 9 seed in the NCAAs.  With a 68 team field it's not much to expect us to not miss the tournament.

 

I'm not sure we'll be a championship contending team even if Vonleh comes back, and if I was him I'd leave just to get out of this clusterf*** of an offense.  We have no depth behind him, unless you count Hanner and Jurkin, and it seems the staff is only interested in 4 year projects.

[RevMatt 5]

I'm stunned when I read here that some people are claiming that since Coach Crean is a good ambassador for the program and "brought us back" when the program was mostly destroyed after the Kelvin Sampson fiasco, that it's ok that he's not a great bench coach. Really? It's ok that he's not a great COACH? I'll remember that the next time I go see my local cardiac surgeon. I hear that he's a great guy. He's a good representative for the practice. He also hires competent and effective office staff that other doctors covet. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I'll wake up from my surgery because he's not a great SURGEON. But he's great at all of the other parts of the job. Do you not realize how silly that sounds?

 

Coach Crean seems like a nice guy. I have a nephew who attends school with his son and has nice things to say about Coach's family. I think that it would be great for him to succeed. And it's great that he was willing to take on the job after Sampson (although it's not like he was being a philanthropist. I read somewhere reputable today that he was the 8th highest paid college basketball coach in the country), However, the bottom line is that Crean has been here 6 years. I would argue that almost any competent coach, given the fertile recruiting ground of Indiana and IU's facilities, would have had some success in that period. They would have also brought "IU back" to relevance, just like Coach Crean. It was far from a miracle reclamation job. IU SHOULD BE RELEVANT IN BASKETBALL. It's not that big of a stretch. Was it a "miracle" when Alabama returned to prominence in Football? Of course not. Will Texas be great in Football again? Of course they will.

 

But let's not forget what the number one part of Coach Crean's job description is -- to be able to COACH the game. IU's abysmal half-court offense, abundant number of turnovers, and coach's absolutely bizarre substitution patterns should make any IU fan wonder if our coach is competent to fulfill the job's number one requirement.

[JSHoosier 20,297]

I'm stunned when I read here that some people are claiming that since Coach Crean is a good ambassador for the program and "brought us back" when the program was mostly destroyed after the Kelvin Sampson fiasco, that it's ok that he's not a great bench coach. Really? It's ok that he's not a great COACH? I'll remember that the next time I go see my local cardiac surgeon. I hear that he's a great guy. He's a good representative for the practice. He also hires competent and effective office staff that other doctors covet. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I'll wake up from my surgery because he's not a great SURGEON. But he's great at all of the other parts of the job. Do you not realize how silly that sounds?

 

Coach Crean seems like a nice guy. I have a nephew who attends school with his son and has nice things to say about Coach's family. I think that it would be great for him to succeed. And it's great that he was willing to take on the job after Sampson (although it's not like he was being a philanthropist. I read somewhere reputable today that he was the 8th highest paid college basketball coach in the country), However, the bottom line is that Crean has been here 6 years. I would argue that almost any competent coach, given the fertile recruiting ground of Indiana and IU's facilities, would have had some success in that period. They would have also brought "IU back" to relevance, just like Coach Crean. It was far from a miracle reclamation job. IU SHOULD BE RELEVANT IN BASKETBALL. It's not that big of a stretch. Was it a "miracle" when Alabama returned to prominence in Football? Of course not. Will Texas be great in Football again? Of course they will.

 

But let's not forget what the number one part of Coach Crean's job description is -- to be able to COACH the game. IU's abysmal half-court offense, abundant number of turnovers, and coach's absolutely bizarre substitution patterns should make any IU fan wonder if our coach is competent to fulfill the job's number one requirement.

What some people seem to forget, or just conveniently ignore, is that Tom Crean wasn't even IU's first choice.  Tony Bennett was.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="RevMatt" post="33874" timestamp="1391147088"]I'm stunned when I read here that some people are claiming that since Coach Crean is a good ambassador for the program and "brought us back" when the program was mostly destroyed after the Kelvin Sampson fiasco, that it's ok that he's not a great bench coach. Really? It's ok that he's not a great COACH? I'll remember that the next time I go see my local cardiac surgeon. I hear that he's a great guy. He's a good representative for the practice. He also hires competent and effective office staff that other doctors covet. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I'll wake up from my surgery because he's not a great SURGEON. But he's great at all of the other parts of the job. Do you not realize how silly that sounds?

Coach Crean seems like a nice guy. I have a nephew who attends school with his son and has nice things to say about Coach's family. I think that it would be great for him to succeed. And it's great that he was willing to take on the job after Sampson (although it's not like he was being a philanthropist. I read somewhere reputable today that he was the 8th highest paid college basketball coach in the country), However, the bottom line is that Crean has been here 6 years. I would argue that almost any competent coach, given the fertile recruiting ground of Indiana and IU's facilities, would have had some success in that period. They would have also brought "IU back" to relevance, just like Coach Crean. It was far from a miracle reclamation job. IU SHOULD BE RELEVANT IN BASKETBALL. It's not that big of a stretch. Was it a "miracle" when Alabama returned to prominence in Football? Of course not. Will Texas be great in Football again? Of course they will.

But let's not forget what the number one part of Coach Crean's job description is -- to be able to COACH the game. IU's abysmal half-court offense, abundant number of turnovers, and coach's absolutely bizarre substitution patterns should make any IU fan wonder if our coach is competent to fulfill the job's number one requirement.[/quote]

You've set the bar HIGH for first posts my friend! Welcome and well said!

[All_Hoosiers 873]

I think it's fine to criticize. I'll criticize too.

 

My only problem comes when people suggest he be fired.

[JSHoosier 20,297]

I think it's fine to criticize. I'll criticize too.

 

My only problem comes when people suggest he be fired.

I don't want him fired, yet, but if he does the same thing here he did at Marquette (follow one good year with 2 missed tournaments and a bunch of mediocrity) that could very well change.  Mike Davis was fired from here for doing just that, and unlike Crean he actually made it to a championship game.

[KingPG21 6,587]

I think it's fine to criticize. I'll criticize too.

 

My only problem comes when people suggest he be fired.

Not talking about firing him on the spot. But if we don't make the tournament this year, seems like we more than likely won't, and don't make it next year, which would be a pretty big disappointment, with or without Noah. Then I maintain it wouldn't be unrealistic to seriously start talking about looking for someone else to lead the program. We are IU, we shouldn't be a program who only makes the tournament every two or three years. And really the Sweet Sixteen shouldn't be our ceiling 

[NOLA Hoosier 1,267]

I WANT to like the guy. I WANT to believe he's a good coach, but let's face it, he's  been out-coached in nearly every game we've played this season aside from the cupcakes...well maybe not LIU-Brooklyn.

 

He got the program back on its' feet again, I don't want to watch him drag it back down. With the way this season's gone, it's hard not to feel that way.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

I just have a hard time trying to understand him so I won't try anymore. If I were any big man in the country I would not pick IU based on the fact that I will not be getting the ball enough. Look at Zeller and Vonleh. Two of the best bigs in the country (zeller past 2 seasons). Every broadcast a commentator makes a comment about standing around and not getting the ball inside. I think this is why zeller got out when he did and it will be why Noah leaves as well. Obv they were projected lotto picks but this is also a factor in their respective decisions.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="BlueDevil2aHoosier" post="33958" timestamp="1391204421"]I just have a hard time trying to understand him so I won't try anymore. If I were any big man in the country I would not pick IU based on the fact that I will not be getting the ball enough. Look at Zeller and Vonleh. Two of the best bigs in the country (zeller past 2 seasons). Every broadcast a commentator makes a comment about standing around and not getting the ball inside. I think this is why zeller got out when he did and it will be why Noah leaves as well. Obv they were projected lotto picks but this is also a factor in their respective decisions.[/quote]

On the other side of things, Cody went #4 overall in Crean's offense. Noah is going to go pretty damn high as well. Both of those players aren't guys who demand the ball, they let the game come to them and impact the game in every way just by being out there.

One thing Crean's offense definitely doesn't do is out the Bigs in a position to look bad. They get their stats without taking 20 shots a game. NBA Execs might really like seeing that.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="IU Hoosier41" post="33959" timestamp="1391204826"]On the other side of things, Cody went #4 overall in Crean's offense. Noah is going to go pretty damn high as well. Both of those players aren't guys who demand the ball, they let the game come to them and impact the game in every way just by being out there.

One thing Crean's offense definitely doesn't do is out the Bigs in a position to look bad. They get their stats without taking 20 shots a game. NBA Execs might really like seeing that.[/quote]

Yeah you are right you make some great points. I'm just having a hard time understand some of the crap that goes on in game as does probably a lot of people.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="BlueDevil2aHoosier" post="33960" timestamp="1391205083"]Yeah you are right you make some great points. I'm just having a hard time understand some of the crap that goes on in game as does probably a lot of people.[/quote]

Oh I agree 100%. I think Crean might "Out Smart" himself with some of these decisions. They always seem to go horrible, and it could be him over coaching.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="IU Hoosier41" post="33961" timestamp="1391205321"]Oh I agree 100%. I think Crean might "Out Smart" himself with some of these decisions. They always seem to go horrible, and it could be him over coaching.[/quote]

I could def buy over coaching. I wish he would stick to a group of guys. We don't really have a 1st team offense. We have 5 guys that start and constantly interchange but when we need a solid core group out there like a first team, who the hell knows who is gonna be out there because I don't even think he knows.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

Not talking about firing him on the spot. But if we don't make the tournament this year, seems like we more than likely won't, and don't make it next year, which would be a pretty big disappointment, with or without Noah. Then I maintain it wouldn't be unrealistic to seriously start talking about looking for someone else to lead the program. We are IU, we shouldn't be a program who only makes the tournament every two or three years. And really the Sweet Sixteen shouldn't be our ceiling 

 

That's my point. I have a problem with the few that want him fired this instant. He has to miss the tournament next year for me to start really considering it.

 

 

I just have a hard time trying to understand him so I won't try anymore. If I were any big man in the country I would not pick IU based on the fact that I will not be getting the ball enough. Look at Zeller and Vonleh. Two of the best bigs in the country (zeller past 2 seasons). Every broadcast a commentator makes a comment about standing around and not getting the ball inside. I think this is why zeller got out when he did and it will be why Noah leaves as well. Obv they were projected lotto picks but this is also a factor in their respective decisions.

 

I think Cody got out because the weak 2013 draft class was his best shot at a high pick, and he still was a late lottery pick (projected) until Michael Jordan saved the day. How high would he realistically have gone if he stayed and entered the 2014 draft?