What are your feelings on Coach Crean?

[KingDaddy40 0]

I'm curious to get some feedback on the feelings of our coach. I have always liked Coach Crean and I love his enthusiasm! However, I do also have some concerns. We have struggled in the half court game offensively for his entire tenure. I think he has a hard time making in game adjustments, although I do realize that some of this falls onto the people on the floor. And turnovers? I know he's not the one handling and passing the ball, but I've never seen a team have so much trouble inbounding a pass, especially under their own basket!

I do think that Crean was the best man for the job of getting the program turned around (and he did an extremely good job), but he hasn't shown me anything yet to believe that we can win a championship with him at the helm.

Good recruiter...  and his players do improve in his system...  but maybe not an X's and O's kind of guy we need to hang banners.

 

Interested in your thoughts...

[Stuhoo 81,226]

A lot of this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I will say that Tom Crean coached teams are some of the best at inbounds plays that I have seen.

 

Definitely a strength of his coaching skills.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

I think coach is a great recruiter and motivator and I think everyone should be happy what he has done for IU. He is all in for the program, players, and the fans. He really does breathe IU basketball. With that being said I do not believe he is a great in game coach. Some of his sub patterns, lack of timeouts, lack of offensive movement are concerning at times. I just don't see IU winning a title under crean because of some of his coaching flaws. We have had a great amount of lows with crean in the early years and some this year but we have also had a good amount of highs and I think coach deserves a little more time before we can say that he is on the hot seat. Maybe he will prove me wrong, I sure hope so.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

It's fair to criticize him, but it would be silly and misguided for anyone to suggest he be fired now. It's not like a significant upgrade is just up for grabs anyway.

Crean a good - not great - recruiter. He's not an amazing coach but he's not terrible one either. Good motivator, good energy, and builds a nice culture.

Next year's team is shaping up to be pretty good, so if he faces another season like this then we can begin discussing his future.

For now, just support him.


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[Hovadipo 56,441]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="32238" timestamp="1390666078"]A lot of this has been discussed ad nauseum before, but I will say that Tom Crean coached teams are some of the best at inbounds plays that I have seen.

Definitely a strength of his coaching skills.[/quote]

I'm catching a strong sense of sarcasm here.


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[Kyleweberiu 386]

I commend crean on what he has done for this program going from nothing to putting us back in the national spot light last season is incredible but with that being said i don't see how anyone can be content with the sweet 16. Creans lack of in game coaching cost us a national championship last season. how do we not win with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft. Syracuse has ran the same defense for 40 years how can you not figure out the zone and expect to be national champions. Also on the topic of this year how do you lose 80 percent of your scoring and not go out and recruit anyone who can shoot the ball from long range? we cant expect to make the tournament with nothing but inside scoring. I like crean and i like what he has done for the program but i don't see us winning with crean he's not a basketball mind. With all that being said i say you give crean next year with the all the talent and shooters we have coming in and if he cant get us past the sweet 16 its time to move on. Indiana simply cant be a sweet 16 team. We need to hang banner 6. I say if things dont work out we push to get Stevens from the NBA if he struggles with the Celtics.   

[Hovadipo 56,441]

[quote name="Kyleweberiu" post="32242" timestamp="1390670089"]I commend crean on what he has done for this program going from nothing to putting us back in the national spot light last season is incredible but with that being said i don't see how anyone can be content with the sweet 16. Creans lack of in game coaching cost us a national championship last season. how do we not win with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft. Syracuse has ran the same defense for 40 years how can you not figure out the zone and expect to be national champions. Also on the topic of this year how do you lose 80 percent of your scoring and not go out and recruit anyone who can shoot the ball from long range? we cant expect to make the tournament with nothing but inside scoring. I like crean and i like what he has done for the program but i don't see us winning with crean he's not a basketball mind. With all that being said i say you give crean next year with the all the talent and shooters we have coming in and if he cant get us past the sweet 16 its time to move on. Indiana simply cant be a sweet 16 team. We need to hang banner 6. I say if things dont work out we push to get Stevens from the NBA if he struggles with the Celtics. [/quote]

Stevens is already good enough with the Celtics that they are trading away the talent he has on the team to make it easier to tank. He has a very mediocre team winning games. Don't get your hopes up.


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[KingPG21 6,587]

Eh, this topic has been covered a ton on a lot of IU boards. That being said he does has both positives, as does every coach.

 

He is a good recruiter for the program, who occasionally gets the big name high impact recruit, Zeller and Vonleh, while at the same time being able to find a diamond in the rough, not in his time here but at Marquette he had Wade and Vic here. He is a good motivator, both for the fans and for the players. As a coach he is decent though has some areas which could definitely be better. And he is a really good ambassador for the university, doesn't get caught doing anything stupid that will look bad on the program.

 

I really question the offensive scheme, and what the offensive philosophy of the team is more often than not. We try and get out and run a lot, which is fine, but it seems to hurt our half court offense so much. Too often we don't have anything but an iso end up happening and a bunch of guys just stand around. It is a little concerning how little we are able to get a big man the ball the further and further into the game we go, Zeller for two years and Noah this year. That is one the players a bit, but eventually it has to come back to the guy/s coaching them and instilling this in them. I have had issues more so this year than in years past with our rotations. We aren't a deep team, but we rotate a good amount

[KingPG21 6,587]

I commend crean on what he has done for this program going from nothing to putting us back in the national spot light last season is incredible but with that being said i don't see how anyone can be content with the sweet 16. Creans lack of in game coaching cost us a national championship last season. how do we not win with 2 of the top 4 picks in the draft. Syracuse has ran the same defense for 40 years how can you not figure out the zone and expect to be national champions. Also on the topic of this year how do you lose 80 percent of your scoring and not go out and recruit anyone who can shoot the ball from long range? we cant expect to make the tournament with nothing but inside scoring. I like crean and i like what he has done for the program but i don't see us winning with crean he's not a basketball mind. With all that being said i say you give crean next year with the all the talent and shooters we have coming in and if he cant get us past the sweet 16 its time to move on. Indiana simply cant be a sweet 16 team. We need to hang banner 6. I say if things dont work out we push to get Stevens from the NBA if he struggles with the Celtics.   

People keep bringing up Stevens like he is miserable in the NBA. I have read one thing that said he had anything bad to say about the NBA, everything else has been positive. And the Celtics have one of the worst rosters in the NBA, even with Rondo who is one of the best players in the NBA. They have a number of draft picks for the next few years, and will be pretty far under the cap this next off-season. There is a reason he signed the contract he did, and it has the years it does. He went to rebuild something there, getting him away from the Celtics is much easier said than done

[JSHoosier 20,306]

Good at most things.  If there are 200 parts to coaching, he's good at 193.  Good (not great) recruiter, evaluator, ambassador.  In game coaching is a flaw, pretty mediocre IMO.

 

He's 15 years into his head coaching career, he has 1 deep tournament run and 2 conference titles.  His success as a coach is far from overwhelming.  As a matter of fact, outside of that 1 deep run his ceiling has been the Sweet 16 and that was only recently.  Until then?  The 2nd round was his ceiling.  Certainly not good enough to warrant the blind devotion some have to him.

 

Coach A:  1 Final Four, 2 conference titles, 286-185 (.607)

Coach B (in 13 years):  1 Final Four, 3 conference titles, 254-165 (.606)

 

Coach A is Tom Crean, his winning percentage includes his first years here because at the end of the day they do count on the official record.  Coach B, well let's just say he's not someone you want your coaching resume to resemble.  Aside from Crean's two recent Sweet 16s, which I don't think are very impressive, they are nearly mirror images of each other.

[Stuhoo 81,226]

I'm catching a strong sense of sarcasm here.


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No sarcasm!

 

I agree that Coach Crean's half court offense can get pretty stagnant and relies far too much on dribble-kick instead of screening and passing. However, IU has been consistently excellent on offensive inbounds plays during the CTC era.

 

Defensive inbounds plays? I still have Tyler Griffey nightmares.

[KingDaddy40 0]

I appreciate all of your opinions. I always have, and always will support Coach Crean. It just seems like I find myself scratching my head a couple times a game. I don't want him on the hot seat, nor do I want him fired. He's done too much for us to not give him a legitimate shot. I'm certain he is running as clean a program as anyone in the country and that is something we should all smile about!

[Hovadipo 56,441]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="32257" timestamp="1390684227"]No sarcasm!

I agree that Coach Crean's half court offense can get pretty stagnant and relies far too much on dribble-kick instead of screening and passing. However, IU has been consistently excellent on offensive inbounds plays during the CTC era.

Defensive inbounds plays? I still have Tyler Griffey nightmares.[/quote]

I agree on the sideline, but it seems to me like everytime we are on our own baseline taking it out, the ball is passed to the (heavily congested) corner and we attract a double team. It was especially bad last year, haven't noticed it as much this year. And I'm still pretty certain the Griffey play was just a horrible, horrible nightmare.


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[hoosiers62 4]

I really have to question some of his player combos, especially at the end of a game, not the last 30 seconds but last 5 minutes, if Vonleh, Yogi, and Sheehey arent on the floor i think he is missing something.  Baffles me the walk ons playing at the end of games with the stud who will be an NBA draft choice next year sitting?

[hoosierfan84 304]

I'm curious to get some feedback on the feelings of our coach. I have always liked Coach Crean and I love his enthusiasm! However, I do also have some concerns. We have struggled in the half court game offensively for his entire tenure. I think he has a hard time making in game adjustments, although I do realize that some of this falls onto the people on the floor. And turnovers? I know he's not the one handling and passing the ball, but I've never seen a team have so much trouble inbounding a pass, especially under their own basket!

I do think that Crean was the best man for the job of getting the program turned around (and he did an extremely good job), but he hasn't shown me anything yet to believe that we can win a championship with him at the helm.

Good recruiter...  and his players do improve in his system...  but maybe not an X's and O's kind of guy we need to hang banners.

 

Interested in your thoughts...

Yawn.

[djsalway 4,161]

Love Crean as a man, coach, and recruiter. Enough said. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

[mdn82 25,510]

Well.  Crean is the coach who pulled us out of the situation we were in.  From here it comes down to if the Administration feels he is the man who can take us to the next level.  He was good enough to get us out of the bottomless pit.  Is he good enough to do something IU hasn't done in almost 30 years?  If they feel he is, he will have a longer leash.  Honestly, I feel like at this point he is a nicer, better spoken Mike Davis.  Mike Davis almost won us a title.  Davis wouldn't have been looked on so harshly had he not followed RMK.  I think Crean has the ability to win a title, but a lot has to click for him to do that like a Calipari.  Funny, we always see people trashing the loss to Syracuse like they were the worst team in the NCAA with the worst coach.  Yeah they run the 2-3.  Have for most of Boeheim's tenure.  He is a hall of fame coach running a defense that "easy to beat".  Really wish people would pay attention to the detail within that defense.  There is a reason he has one of the top defenses year after year.  

[JSHoosier 20,306]

Well.  Crean is the coach who pulled us out of the situation we were in.  From here it comes down to if the Administration feels he is the man who can take us to the next level.  He was good enough to get us out of the bottomless pit.  Is he good enough to do something IU hasn't done in almost 30 years?  If they feel he is, he will have a longer leash.  Honestly, I feel like at this point he is a nicer, better spoken Mike Davis.  Mike Davis almost won us a title.  Davis wouldn't have been looked on so harshly had he not followed RMK.  I think Crean has the ability to win a title, but a lot has to click for him to do that like a Calipari.  Funny, we always see people trashing the loss to Syracuse like they were the worst team in the NCAA with the worst coach.  Yeah they run the 2-3.  Have for most of Boeheim's tenure.  He is a hall of fame coach running a defense that "easy to beat".  Really wish people would pay attention to the detail within that defense.  There is a reason he has one of the top defenses year after year.  

Funny you say he's a better spoken Mike Davis.  The two coaches in my post above are Crean and Davis.  If you look at their coaching records they are very similar.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="mdn82" post="32291" timestamp="1390698762"]Well. Crean is the coach who pulled us out of the situation we were in. From here it comes down to if the Administration feels he is the man who can take us to the next level. He was good enough to get us out of the bottomless pit. Is he good enough to do something IU hasn't done in almost 30 years? If they feel he is, he will have a longer leash. Honestly, I feel like at this point he is a nicer, better spoken Mike Davis. Mike Davis almost won us a title. Davis wouldn't have been looked on so harshly had he not followed RMK. I think Crean has the ability to win a title, but a lot has to click for him to do that like a Calipari. Funny, we always see people trashing the loss to Syracuse like they were the worst team in the NCAA with the worst coach. Yeah they run the 2-3. Have for most of Boeheim's tenure. He is a hall of fame coach running a defense that "easy to beat". Really wish people would pay attention to the detail within that defense. There is a reason he has one of the top defenses year after year. [/quote]

What makes it even tougher to beat is that he recruits players to fit his zone. He recruits so much size that it really is overwhelming to the majority of teams in college bball.


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[JaybobHoosier 11,852]

Crean struggles with some coaching issues, but he was by far the best coach for the job. We can't thank him enough, because without him, I don't think IU is where it is. He ran it squeaky clean, and I bet most coaches wouldn't have taken that road.

Clean program, very good recruiter, tremendous representative of IU, and a good coach. He has his issues in coaching, but he also has great moments. He loves this program, and will do everything he can to make it great, but in a clean way.

Yes, I am critical of Crean with some coaching decisions, but Coach Crean has earned his keep per say. Only way I would ever consider him on the hot seat is if we miss the tourny next year, but will get him some wiggle room if Vonleh leaves.

We can all be upset, but anyone who wants Crean gone is out of line. I haven't read all the posts, but I'm referring to in general, not at any posts I've read.

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