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[JaybobHoosier 11,954]

I have a friend who is a seasoned Ump, he has been on Facebook explaining things, including the baseline.

 

Hwy, I think it's hilarious that all the Cubs, Reds, and Braves fans are all talking trash about this obstruction call. Just funny to me because they don't care that the call was right and by the rulebook, they are just mad and bashing the call because the Cards won from it. I love it haha!

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In his post he said he's read his rulebook, so if you want to argue you'd better know what you're talking about.

 

I asked him if he happened to read the definition of baseline.  The baseline is a straight line from the runner's current location, with 3 feet on either side being the base path.

 

Yeah, that'll go over well.

 

 

Tell him to watch this. http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?topic_id=59733688&content_id=31185803

 

Torre even read from the rulebook. They explain everything

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Derrick Goold ‏@dgoold 2m

Craig said his foot was in pain after run, feeling better given treatment. Said he pushed it, unsure how it will respond tomorrow.

[JSHoosier 20,662]

Now someone came back with it still doesn't make it right the call because Middlebrooks dove and he can't no longer be where he dove to.  Also said since the runner was at 3rd the new base path is from 3rd to home, not including going back to second.

 

Too bad it's not from 3rd to home, it's from the runner's location.

[JSHoosier 20,662]

Tell him to watch this. http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?topic_id=59733688&content_id=31185803

 

Torre even read from the rulebook. They explain everything

I'll agree it's not fair since the defender is on the ground, but by rule it's the right call.

 

I can't believe they want to argue that he was out of the base line though.  He's still allowed 3 feet on either side of the line and he was within that.

[JSHoosier 20,662]

This site does a good job of breaking down the base line.

 

It's not from the physical location of the base.  It's from the runner's location.  Craig could've been at the wall in foul territory, and the baseline is from him to home.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

They also explained that in the video

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ST. LOUIS -- Boston starter Jake Peavy says he doesn't see how anyone agrees with that call “other than Cardinal fans.”

Peavy, as fun and forthright as he is, apparently is viewing the decisive call that ended Game 3 in the Cardinals' favor with Red Sox-colored glasses.

Umps Jim Joyce and Dana DeMuth got it right. Besides Allen Craig, Matt Holliday, Yadier Molina and some other Cardinals, Joyce and DeMuth are two of the heroes in one of the more thrilling and controversial endings in World Series history, even if some Red Sox didn't see it that way.

Game 3 recap

STL 5, BOS 4

Really though, the call's only controversial because the game ended on a rare ruling of obstruction. There was nothing debatable about it, not one thing. It was plain and it was obvious, and the umps deserve nothing but bouquets for getting it right.

They certainly didn't deserve the bad-mouthing they got later.

The excitable Peavy pitched only OK but came with the colorful quotes. Speaking of home-plate umpire DeMuth, Peavy said, “He's already proved he can't see things right. I hope he rests well in his hotel rom.”

It isn't sure if Peavy was talking about his own four innings in his eagerly awaited first World Series game ever, or what. It's only sure Peavy wasn't pleased.

“That's a joke, that's an absolute joke,” Peavy said.

Not only is there nothing funny about, the call was dead on. Red Sox manager John Farrell did grudgingly admit “by the letter of the rule” it may indeed have been obstruction on Red Sox third baseman Will Middlebrooks.

By the letter of the rule. By the spirit of the rule. Any way you look at it, the call was correct.

Scott Miller

Cards pull out wild Game 3 on obstruction call

The Cardinals deserved their 5-4 victory that puts them up, two to one, in games in this World Series that's getting better by the game. Any way you look at it, Middlebrooks obstructed Cardinals baserunner Allen Craig with two outs in the ninth inning.

He impeded him. He prevented him from scoring. However you want to put it.

Middlebrooks blocked Craig's path to home plate. It wasn't necessarily Middlebrooks' fault. He just happened to be there. Though Middlebrooks did raise his feet and legs, tripping Craig and quite possibly making the call much easier for the umps to see.

Whether the trip was intentional or not, we will never know. It certainly was well-timed to impede Craig. Middlebrooks might not even be sure at the moment whether he raised his legs and feet intentionally (though he suggested it wasn't).

No matter, it doesn't really matter. Being there was enough.

But for good measure, Craig was plainly tripped, preventing him from having any real chance to make it home after Red Sox catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia's throw went down the left field line. Salty had received a throw from second baseman Dustin Pedroia to nail Molina at the plate for the second out, and was trying to get Craig at third to end the inning that was set up by pinch-hitter Craig's big double.

Craig, delayed by Middelbrooks (and hobbled by his lisfranc injury, plus any new pain from his collision at third) was out by 15 feet going home. Though without the trip, even a slow Craig probably makes it home.

The Red Sox saw it another way. Some Red Sox folks suggested Craig was out of the baseline. Or that Middlebrooks was just “laying there.”

In reality, Craig just rose to run. He didn't seek or cause the contact. And as far as Middlebooks goes, that's just bad luck. It's on him not to do anything to impede Craig.

Game 3 grades

Correct obstruction call earns ump Jim Joyce an 'A'

Rules guru Joe Torre said, “Intentional or not intentional, he just has to clear the path.”

And DeMuth kindly told Middlebrooks at the time, “You know you have to get out of the way.”

Maybe Middlebrooks didn't know that. Some Red Sox players seemed not to know it. No matter, the call doesn't need their approval.

Craig himself wasn't so sure what happened, even afterward. He said, “I couldn't tell. I just had to jump around him. I don't know if he clipped me or not.”

That's OK, the replay (not that it was needed, or allowed to be used) clearly showed that Middlebrooks did clip him. He did impede him. And he did prevent him from having a chance to score on his own.

Really, it's no surprise some Red Sox players didn't see it that way. When there's a game as close and hard fought and important, and it ends with a rare obstruction call that puts you in a 2-1 World Series hole, it's hard to see it any other way than you're own.

“I don't understand it,” Middlebrooks said. “There's nowhere for me to go there.”

Apparently, he's right. He doesn't understand it.

Craig, not starting here because he's still not quite healed enough to play the field, had the big hit in a pinch-hitting role. And he deserves all the accolades for getting back from a lisfranc injury faster than almost anyone in modern record. “Having a bat like that is unbelievable,” Carlos Beltran noted.

Having speed like his: much more believable. Craig, uncertain what his status will be Sunday after his double followed by his double collision, noted that he felt like he had run an “obstacle course.”

Joyce, who actually made the call (not DeMuth), immediately signaled for obstruction and gave Craig the plate.

“The baserunner has every right to go unobstructed to home plate, and unfortunately for Middlebrooks he was right there,” Joyce said.

Middlebrooks was right there because the throw from Saltamacchia tailed away from him and into Craig, and Middlebrooks was unable to stop the ball from heading into the outfield. That right there was the Red Sox's real issue.

It was the second game in a row -- and second loss -- where a throw intended for third base ultimately cost the Red Sox the contest.

The throw looked a bit late, anyway. But mostly it tailed off line.

“Maybe they shouldn't throw to third base,” observed one Cardinals official, wryly noting the similarity.

The point is, it's what the Red Sox did. It's not what the umps did. The men in blue got it right.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24143925/red-sox-wrong-to-blame-umps-call-was-on-the-money-not-throw

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Game on !!!!

 

Sox going down again tonight!

[JSHoosier 20,662]

Hopefully they break the hearts of the Red Sux again.

[Naturalhoosier 15,439]

Hopefully they break the hearts of the Red Sux again.

Hopefully by demoralizing them with a bakers dozen runs or so!

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[JSHoosier 20,662]

Hopefully by demoralizing them with a bakers dozen runs or so!

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Going to Ortiz's locker and taking his stash of 

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I mean milk shakes.

[JSHoosier 20,662]

Going to Ortiz's locker and taking his stash of 

<strike>roids</strike>

I mean milk shakes.

Crap, I found an option for code and thought I could get that to work.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

 just use this "S" in editor. It's on the bottom line after "U"

[JSHoosier 20,662]

Bucholz's fastball can't even hit 90.  The Cards had better crush this guy.

[JaybobHoosier 11,954]

This will be quite the off-season. The Cards have to do something at least at SS. What will they do about Beltran? Will any of the young arms be used in a trade? I'm excited, and i think next year's team will be better than this year!

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Today Mo announced that Chris Carpenter is going to retire. A sad day in Cardinals history. One of the Cardinal greats even though his body would never hold up. The man sacrificed his shoulder for 11 in 11. He never pitched effectively again. He tried like hell though! Had a rib removed to alleviate nerve pinching then was back on the mound about two months later. Alas the arm went again in Spring Training last spring and his comeback attempt gave way to more nerve damage in the summer.

 

 

In other news Mike Matheny got a 3 year extension as manager.

[JaybobHoosier 11,954]

David Freese is off to the Angels for Bourjos.  Interesting and some what surprising move, but this is to get Kolton Wong some playing time at 2nd, and move Carpenter to third.  This move definitely means John Jay is gone!

[JaybobHoosier 11,954]

Great for Matheny, but stinks to hear about Carp.  He deserved a healthy last year.  Luckily the Cards are determined to keep him within the organization. 

[Hwy 1 2,053]

David Freese is off to the Angels for Bourjos.  Interesting and some what surprising move, but this is to get Kolton Wong some playing time at 2nd, and move Carpenter to third.  This move definitely means John Jay is gone!

 

 

I didn't find it surprising at all, expected Freese to be gone to be honest. Had no idea who they would end up with but Bourjos was an attractive target for us. Angels needed a 3b, we needed a cf. It was a good fit. The amazing part was getting Grichuck for Salas! Salas saved us in '11 but Tony rode him so hard that summer there was nothing left by September. The guy hasn't been the same since. Kind of like Carp. Well, lots lots lots more than kind of.

 

Looks like a deal for Jhonny Peralta (I think I'm just going to go ahead and spell his name correctly from now on I hate how it's spelled) is in the works. Bunch of money but they don't have to give up pitching or a draft pick. Hopefully by the time he's gone one of the recent draft picks can take over. Good SS's are hard to find these days!