Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Mike Wiemuth (iuinphilly)]

Just now, IndyHoops said:

Perkins also played within Fran’s system. I doubt Perkins sees those numbers in Woodson’s system. The defense is nice, but again, my concern is MM at the 3 and MR at the 4 on defense. 

Yup.  That would be my concern too.  I’m not sold on him being the best answer.  Remember,  most of the best options aren’t in the portal yet.  The best players won’t start deciding on schools until mid-April.  
 

It’s all about who is slotted where. If you do bring in Perkins, you have to bring in a high-capacity shooter at the 2 and move Gallo to the bench.  Perkins and Gallo starting together will invite a defense with one guy marking Mgbako and 4 guys all in the lane at all times.  Also, it could add some more pressure to have a 5 that can step out.  I can make a case for Perkins, but it then leads to other options being closed off.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Perkins also played within Fran’s system. I doubt Perkins sees those numbers in Woodson’s system. The defense is nice, but again, my concern is MM at the 3 and MR at the 4 on defense. 

Which even furthers the need for a PG who is a strong on-ball defender. Perkins was a plus defender on a bad defensive team. Guys like Malik Mack and Leland Walker were bad defenders in bad conferences. Perkins had excellent TO rate which is essential playing in Woodson’s system.

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Perkins also played within Fran’s system. I doubt Perkins sees those numbers in Woodson’s system. The defense is nice, but again, my concern is MM at the 3 and MR at the 4 on defense. 

Still need to account for Tucker.  If MM is at the 3 and MR at the 4, where is Tucker?  If Tucker is at the 2?  Is he at the 3 with MM shifting to the 4 and Reneau to the 5?

 

[IndyHoops]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Still need to account for Tucker.  If MM is at the 3 and MR at the 4, where is Tucker?  If Tucker is at the 2?  Is he at the 3 with MM shifting to the 4 and Reneau to the 5?

 

That’s the million dollar question…

[IndyHoops]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Which even furthers the need for a PG who is a strong on-ball defender. Perkins was a plus defender on a bad defensive team. Guys like Malik Mack and Leland Walker were bad defenders in bad conferences. Perkins had excellent TO rate which is essential playing in Woodson’s system.

IU had the 83rd best defense according to KenPom. Which needs improvement….

IU had the 106th best offense….

I know what I would prioritize.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IndyHoops said:

IU had the 83rd best defense according to KenPom. Which needs improvement….

IU had the 106th best offense….

I know what I would prioritize.

A steady floor general who doesn’t turn the ball over is the perfect start….

[IndyHoops]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

A steady floor general who doesn’t turn the ball over is the perfect start….

Cupps didn’t turn the ball over either. Again, Perkins is a nice player, but IU will still need multiple guards with Perkins.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Cupps didn’t turn the ball over either. Again, Perkins is a nice player, but IU will still need multiple guards with Perkins.

Cupps scored 2 1/2 points per game in over 20 minutes and his defense was lacking.  

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Cupps didn’t turn the ball over either. Again, Perkins is a nice player, but IU will still need multiple guards with Perkins.

That’s not how it works lol.

Cupps and XJ’s TO rate last season were 22 and 24 percent respectively. That’s terrible. Throw in Galloway at 18% who handled the ball a lot and it’s a major reason why IU’s offensive efficiency was so bad.

Perkins TO rate for both his Jr and Sr seasons was 12% which is beyond elite. It’s a huge reason why Iowa finished 4th and 15th in offensive efficiency per KenPom with Perkins as its starting PG.

[IndyHoops]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

That’s not how it works lol.

Cupps and XJ’s TO rate last season were 22 and 24 percent respectively. That’s terrible. Throw in Galloway at 18% who handled the ball a lot and it’s a major reason why IU’s offensive efficiency was so bad.

Perkins TO rate for both his Jr and Sr seasons was 12% which is beyond elite. It’s a huge reason why Iowa finished 4th and 15th in offensive efficiency per KenPom with Perkins as its starting PG.

What is Iowa’s offensive efficiency the last 8 years? Going to bet it has way more to do with Fran than Perkins.

Take a look at what Perkins had around him at Iowa vs what he would have had at Indiana. You honestly think he puts up the same numbers?

[IndyHoops]

9 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Cupps scored 2 1/2 points per game in over 20 minutes and his defense was lacking.  

We are going in circles… lol

Yes, he struggled defensively sometimes….but it was the offensive end is where it really killed IU. It wasn’t that he turned the ball over… it was because HE COULDNT SHOOT. 

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

What is Iowa’s offensive efficiency the last 8 years? Going to bet it has way more to do with Fran than Perkins.

Take a look at what Perkins had around him at Iowa vs what he would have had at Indiana. You honestly think he puts up the same numbers?

It’s been elite. And a huge reason is because Jordan Bohannon and Tony Perkins had elite TO rates spanning the last 5-6 seasons. When you have a PG who can run your stuff without turning the ball over, it typically makes for a much more efficient offense. Not really a novel concept.

Do I think Tony Perkins averages 15 a game here next year? Probably not. Doesn’t need to either. But 11-12 ppg seems appropriate along with a good A/TO ratio. 

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

We are going in circles… lol

Yes, he struggled defensively sometimes….but it was the offensive end is where it really killed IU. It wasn’t that he turned the ball over… it was because HE COULDNT SHOOT. 

Cupps averaged the same amount of turnovers a game as he did made field goals and assists. That’s no bueno.

[IndyHoops]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It’s been elite. And a huge reason is because Jordan Bohannon and Tony Perkins had elite TO rates spanning the last 5-6 seasons. When you have a PG who can run your stuff without turning the ball over, it typically makes for a much more efficient offense. Not really a novel concept.

Do I think Tony Perkins averages 15 a game here next year? Probably not. Doesn’t need to either. But 11-12 ppg seems appropriate along with a good A/TO ratio. 

You just described a healthy X in your last paragraph. That’s not going to move the needle IMO.

The huge reason Iowa has been successful on the offensive end for almost 10 years is Fran’s system. I just don’t see much difference between X and Perkins in Woodson’s system. Teams are just going to pack the paint and instead of Cupps being wide open….it will be Perkins. Now, maybe Woodson changes his system? Ok…that might change things. But a line up of Perkins, Tucker, MM, MR, and a big might be a worse 3PT shooting team than this year. 

 

[IndyHoops]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Cupps averaged the same amount of turnovers a game as he did made field goals and assists. That’s no bueno.

Now just imagine if everything was the exact same except Cupps was a 40% 3PT shooter. Just tweak that….nothing else. Would IU have won more games?

Clemson, NC State, Alabama….they all have a kid whose whole role is to shoot. Nothing else. Liability on defense, can’t creat own shot, can’t rebound….but they can shoot. 

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

You just described a healthy X in your last paragraph. That’s not going to move the needle IMO.

The huge reason Iowa has been successful on the offensive end for almost 10 years is Fran’s system. I just don’t see much difference between X and Perkins in Woodson’s system. Teams are just going to pack the paint and instead of Cupps being wide open….it will be Perkins. Now, maybe Woodson changes his system? Ok…that might change things. But a line up of Perkins, Tucker, MM, MR, and a big might be a worse 3PT shooting team than this year. 

 

Not even remotely comparable to X when you dive deeper into the numbers. X TO% was more than double Perkins.

[IndyHoops]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Not even remotely comparable to X when you dive deeper into the numbers. X TO% was more than double Perkins.

In completely different systems. You aren’t comparing apples to apples here. I bet healthy X puts up those numbers at Iowa…maybe better.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Now just imagine if everything was the exact same except Cupps was a 40% 3PT shooter. Just tweak that….nothing else. Would IU have won more games?

If Cupps was a 40% 3 point shooter last year (instead of 36%) it would have meant he made 16 3 pointers over the course of the season instead of 14, assuming volume stayed the same. So to answer your question: No.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

In completely different systems. You aren’t comparing apples to apples here. I bet healthy X puts up those numbers at Iowa…maybe better.

Put X in Iowa’s lineup with their tempo his raw turnover numbers would skyrocket given his potency to turn the ball over as suggested by his TO%.

[IndyHoops]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If Cupps was a 40% 3 point shooter last year (instead of 36%) it would have meant he made 16 3 pointers over the course of the season instead of 14, assuming volume stayed the same. So to answer your question: No.

He would obviously take more 3s….  :)