(2023) - PF Arrinten Page to USC

[IU Scott]

One thing to remember about looking ahead to next year, it is more important that our guys coming back develops more than what freshman we bring in.  I  sure fans of Iowa and UW were worried going into the year since they lost a lot from the previous season.  No one knew how much better that Davis and Murray would be would be going into last season.  To me we have those type players who will play a role this year but next year will be ready to be key contributors like Banks, Reneau and Gunn.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

19 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Why would you panic about recruiting this early in the process even without the portal.

You don’t follow recruiting too closely do you?  Every impact player we could have a chance with is spoken for.  Assuming we get a Reneau or Bates is not a normal thing.  (Yes, it’s happened twice but it’s incredibly rare).  The guys that wait until spring are few and far between. Most players want to commit before their HS seasons start. The pickings of 2023 recruits is incredibly thin at this point unless some diamond in the rough happens. 
 

Thus, transfer portal. 

[IU Scott]

22 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You don’t follow recruiting too closely do you?  Every impact player we could have a chance with is spoken for.  Assuming we get a Reneau or Bates is not a normal thing.  (Yes, it’s happened twice but it’s incredibly rare).  The guys that wait until spring are few and far between. Most players want to commit before their HS seasons start. The pickings of 2023 recruits is incredibly thin at this point unless some diamond in the rough happens. 
 

Thus, transfer portal. 

Read my post above because going into next year it is players already on the roster developing is more important than any freshman coming. Do you think UW and Iowa saw how much better Murray or Davis got over the summer. I see players like Banks, Reneau and Gunn as players who will develop a lot between their freshman and sophomore years.

I look at our 94 season where we just lost Cheaney, G Graham, Nover and Reynolds and only had two players coming back that you knew what to expect. You had Bailey and Henderson who played key roles but we're never a go to guy. Then you had Evans who played some as a RS freshman, Leary, Lindemann and P. Graham who was always injured. No one expected that to be a sweet 16 team. 

Also I do follow recruiting and have for years. I remember buying Street & Smith pre view magazine every year and read all of their recruiting.  I remember skipping part of a class in college to listen to a recruiting analyst talking about IU chances with Corliss Williamson.  I bout Inside Indiana for years just for the recruiting articles.

 

 

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You don’t follow recruiting too closely do you?  Every impact player we could have a chance with is spoken for.  Assuming we get a Reneau or Bates is not a normal thing.  (Yes, it’s happened twice but it’s incredibly rare).  The guys that wait until spring are few and far between. Most players want to commit before their HS seasons start. The pickings of 2023 recruits is incredibly thin at this point unless some diamond in the rough happens. 
 

Thus, transfer portal. 

I follow recruiting closely and I’m not close to panicking 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I follow recruiting closely and I’m not close to panicking 

Because of the transfer portal or because of the quality guys left in the 23 class?


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[Stuhoo]

There are usually more than a few very late  fast risers. I believe that OG was off the radar until his senior year of high school.

Also a whole lot of foreign “finds.”

And de-commits.

And the portal.

Bottom line? If Woody is a good enough coach and recruiter there is a ton of time. If he’s not it won’t matter.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

There are usually more than a few very late  fast risers. I believe that OG was off the radar until his senior year of high school.
Also a whole lot of foreign “finds.”
And de-commits.
And the portal.
Bottom line? If Woody is a good enough coach and recruiter there is a ton of time. If he’s not it won’t matter.

Don’t know about that. We are possibly, literally, losing our entire starting 5 and have Cupps and Newton coming in. The foreign thing is interesting, I guess. Again, transfer portal. We needed a gigantic recruiting coup to ease the pain of losing an entire starting 5. I suppose Woody thinks he has it from the bench. Let’s see how that works out. Trust in Woody and the transfer portal.



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[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Don’t know about that. We are possibly, literally, losing our entire starting 5 and have Cupps and Newton coming in. The foreign thing is interesting, I guess. Again, transfer portal. We needed a gigantic recruiting coup to ease the pain of losing an entire starting 5. I suppose Woody thinks he has it from the bench. Let’s see how that works out. Trust in Woody and the transfer portal.



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And Reneau, Geronimo, Bates, Galloway, Banks, and Gunn.

Again (channeling the Woody-word) if the coach and system is good enough, the talent of the six remaining slides into key roles.

 

[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Because of the transfer portal or because of the quality guys left in the 23 class?


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Because I know not every class is going to be a top 5-10 class like woodys first class. Because the industry as a whole has stated several times compared to other classes the 23 class is down.   I know with recruiting there are going to be ups and downs through recruiting cycles especially with a program that hasn’t really had on court success or a winning conference record the last 6 years.   I understand the uphill battle this program and staff have had recruiting non Indiana or Midwest kids that have no clue about IU basketball.   I’m not panicking because they have already landed 2 top 100 kids that they targeted early in the process.   Some could argue that without the on court success and recent history that IU has recruited pretty  well all things considered.   Probably other fan bases are saying how has this program been able to recruit the talent they have gotten with the results.  All about perspective.   If IU wins big this coming year and still misses out on top targets then I might become panicked but until then I’m good 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Don’t know about that. We are possibly, literally, losing our entire starting 5 and have Cupps and Newton coming in. The foreign thing is interesting, I guess. Again, transfer portal. We needed a gigantic recruiting coup to ease the pain of losing an entire starting 5. I suppose Woody thinks he has it from the bench. Let’s see how that works out. Trust in Woody and the transfer portal.



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Without some gigantic turn of event we will be projected mid of big at best next season. Find another team that has lost its entire starting 5 and brought in a mid ranked recruiting class and was projected at the top of their league. Doesn’t happen in the real world.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Because I know not every class is going to be a top 5-10 class like woodys first class. Because the industry as a whole has stated several times compared to other classes the 23 class is down.   I know with recruiting there are going to be ups and downs through recruiting cycles especially with a program that hasn’t really had on court success or a winning conference record the last 6 years.   I understand the uphill battle this program and staff have had recruiting non Indiana or Midwest kids that have no clue about IU basketball.   I’m not panicking because they have already landed 2 top 100 kids that they targeted early in the process.   Some could argue that without the on court success and recent history that IU has recruited pretty  well all things considered.   Probably other fan bases are saying how has this program been able to recruit the talent they have gotten with the results.  All about perspective.   If IU wins big this coming year and still misses out on top targets then I might become panicked but until then I’m good 

They have to field a team next year? We have a “top of the line” NIL program. That should get us 2 talents a year with our million dollar plus recruiting budget. 2024 recruiting might be great with a good season. We hope. We need. But 2023 was a critical class with projected loss of best players. If the staff acted like 23 was a down year and didn’t recruit guys as the waited for the portal I’d feel better. I’d feel fine. But they tried and tried and tried. All that projected playing time and NIL to offer and you can’t land a couple stars with front court time in abundance is just a thing to make ya say hmmmm.


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[IU Scott]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Without some gigantic turn of event we will be projected mid of big at best next season. Find another team that has lost its entire starting 5 and brought in a mid ranked recruiting class and was projected at the top of their league. Doesn’t happen in the real world.


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Why are you only focusing on the freshman and not the returning players developing into very good players.  Last year UW had lost 4 starters and only had Davidson and Davis coming back that had played major minutes.  They had a freshman PG in Hepburn who wasn't highly rated and that team won the big ten

[rayl456]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Without some gigantic turn of event we will be projected mid of big at best next season. Find another team that has lost its entire starting 5 and brought in a mid ranked recruiting class and was projected at the top of their league. Doesn’t happen in the real world.


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So what's your point??  You want Woodson to fire his assistants?  If you're so sure that IU's recruiting is horrible, then what do you suggest?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

And Reneau, Geronimo, Bates, Galloway, Banks, and Gunn.
Again (channeling the Woody-word) if the coach and system is good enough, the talent of the six remaining slides into key roles.
 

I don’t buy it. I follow all the trends. Teams don’t lose their entire starting 5 and not replace them with Starter quality talent and hold ground. Doesn’t happen. That means you have 5 bench guys taking on roles that are completely new to them. Even if talent of the bench is excellent and it appears pretty good it’s a down year. Staff has a tough puzzle to solve. There are still ways to ease the pain. JHS returns? Trayce returns, lol. Transfer portal? Even still big things will have to happen to project top 4 big.



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[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t buy it. I follow all the trends. Teams don’t lose their entire starting 5 and not replace them with Starter quality talent and hold ground. Doesn’t happen. That means you have 5 bench guys taking on roles that are completely new to them. Even if talent of the bench is excellent and it appears pretty good it’s a down year. Staff has a tough puzzle to solve. There are still ways to ease the pain. JHS returns? Trayce returns, lol. Transfer portal? Even still big things will have to happen to project top 4 big.



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So you think that Illinois and Ohio State will not be up to the task this year? Michigan is down four starters, and Purdue is down three starters.

that’s most of the rest of the projected top third of the conference.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

So what's your point??  You want Woodson to fire his assistants?  If you're so sure that IU's recruiting is horrible, then what do you suggest?

I’m not paid enough to figure that out. I don’t know their internal plans for 23/24. I imagine they go hard for 2 or 3 transfer portal guys. Get the right guys. Put the NIL to work. Whatever it takes to have better recruiting efficiency. They made a mess of 23 recruiting but they still have hope. Hoping internally they figure some things out.


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[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t buy it. I follow all the trends. Teams don’t lose their entire starting 5 and not replace them with Starter quality talent and hold ground. Doesn’t happen. That means you have 5 bench guys taking on roles that are completely new to them. Even if talent of the bench is excellent and it appears pretty good it’s a down year. Staff has a tough puzzle to solve. There are still ways to ease the pain. JHS returns? Trayce returns, lol. Transfer portal? Even still big things will have to happen to project top 4 big.



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So next year this can be our starting lineup

JHS 

Bates 

Banks 

Geronimo 

Reneau

To me that is a top 25 team and bring these guys off the bench.

Galloway

Cupps 

Newton

Duncomb

Gunn

[WayneFleekHoosier]

So next year this can be our starting lineup
JHS 
Bates 
Banks 
Geronimo 
Reneau
To me that is a top 25 team and bring these guys off the bench.
Galloway
Cupps 
Newton
Duncomb
Gunn

We had this discussion last week. Does JHS return? Does Bates return? Do we lose guys to transfer portal? Are the guys we love as good objectively and as ready as they will be need to be? We haven’t seen many of them play a single game.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

So you think that Illinois and Ohio State will not be up to the task this year? Michigan is down four starters, and Purdue is down three starters.
that’s most of the rest of the projected top third of the conference.

Illinois ripped the transfer portal.

Ohio state a great recruiting class and ripped the TP.

Michigan returns an All American center and has a good recruiting class and they are still down.

Purdue has a world class coach, returns a 7’3” center that puts up killer stats per minute and great front court depth, but they will still be way down from last year.




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[Uspshoosier]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

They have to field a team next year? We have a “top of the line” NIL program. That should get us 2 talents a year with our million dollar plus recruiting budget. 2024 recruiting might be great with a good season. We hope. We need. But 2023 was a critical class with projected loss of best players. If the staff acted like 23 was a down year and didn’t recruit guys as the waited for the portal I’d feel better. I’d feel fine. But they tried and tried and tried. All that projected playing time and NIL to offer and you can’t land a couple stars with front court time in abundance is just a thing to make ya say hmmmm.


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Yep they will have to field a team next year.  That’s why I’m not panicked and will leave that up to other people.   Some how some way 13 or 12 kids will be on scholarship.  I follow trends also and the fact that the staff hasn’t blindly filled these spots with players just to fill them tells me they were not that worried about some of these “misses”     Now if they started filling players like the April’s, Hoetzel, prillers and gelons then I might or changed my tune but the fact that I read reports even before some of these kids were on their officials that the staff wasnt sweating some of the outcomes of some of these recruitments because they were expecting to utilize the portal heavily unlike last year because now they will be able to offer PT.   They would take the commitments from the high schoolers but it wasn’t life or death to land them.    Some of discounting the front court coming back but the other teams in the Page recruitment used it against IU and put in his head where would his playing time come from with what IU had on its roster.    Recruiting is what it is.    Some are going to panic about it  and others won’t.   Just another 30 day before the season starts off season talking point