Goodman on the Hoosier Hysterics Podcast

[Hoosierfan2017 22,679]

33 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Tear down AH tomorrow and build a pro stadium and we still won’t Kentucky or UNC. Why the hell would we want to be? 

Because they win? Lol. We haven’t made it past the sweet 16 since 2002. Here’s what UK has done during our dry spell from 2003 to today:

SEC Champs: 8x

SEC tournament: 8x

Elite Eight: 9x

Final Four: 4x

NC: 1x

That’s in 19 seasons. No tournament in 2020 when they were #8 in the country, so that’s 9 elite eights in 18 seasons. 

Is our faux moral superiority better than going to the elite eight every other season? There was a time when we considered ourselves UK’s peer. Unfortunately that time has passed.

Then there’s UNC:

ACC Champs: 9x

ACC Tournament: 3x

Elite Eight: 8x

Final Four: 5x

NC: 3x

But hey, maybe we can hang a few “did things the right way” banners. 

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

This is simply the strangest thread I’ve read on this board which might be saying something.  We’re fighting to be in the tournament, we are in the first year of our current coach, and we are trying to figure out who our next coach is?

geez, live in the moment.

Lol then Close your eyes and don't participate in the thread Brumdog. I'm not asking for woody to be fired. I'm asking if an insider can tell the board if the admin recognize our deficiencies (not coaching) and have a path forward.

[HoosierTrav 8,000]

6 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Next hire if you don’t get your white whale why not switch it up and get a college basketball lifer.   One that has put the time in as an assistant and has had success as a power 5 coach.   If the young ones didn’t work and the former player doesn’t work what does IU have to lose hiring a grinder. Most   Fans will hate it but whatever get a guy that can make something out of nothing. 

Steve Pikiell

Ed Cooley 

or even 

Steve Forbes 

greg McDermott 

 

Said it during the off-season, that Greg McDermott would win here. Pikiell is a hell of a coach. Rutgers has no business being as good as they have been. Someone bigger will come calling. 

[HoosierTrav 8,000]

59 minutes ago, str8baller said:

IU never had the “wow-factor.” Trying to be something you’re not is a guaranteed path to failure. 
 

Even so, we recruited guys like Gordon and the ‘12 team that was easily championship caliber. Romeo and TJD and others. Even the worst coaches at IU have recruited well enough. Team building is another matter, though. 
 

Tear down AH tomorrow and build a pro stadium and we still won’t Kentucky or UNC. Why the hell would we want to be? 

I’d rather be Kentucky and UNC than Indiana the last 3 decades. Easily. 

[str8baller 6,127]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because they win? Lol. We haven’t made it past the sweet 16 since 2002. Here’s what UK has done during our dry spell from 2003 to today:

SEC Champs: 8x

SEC tournament: 8x

Elite Eight: 9x

Final Four: 4x

NC: 1x

That’s in 19 seasons. No tournament in 2020 when they were #8 in the country, so that’s 9 elite eights in 18 seasons. 

Is our faux moral superiority better than going to the elite eight every other season? There was a time when we considered ourselves UK’s peer. Unfortunately that time has passed.

Then there’s UNC:

ACC Champs: 9x

ACC Tournament: 3x

Elite Eight: 8x

Final Four: 5x

NC: 3x

But hey, maybe we can hang a few “did things the right way” banners. 

 

26 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

I’d rather be Kentucky and UNC than Indiana the last 3 decades. Easily. 

I’d never want to be Kentucky. 
 

But you do you. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,679]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

 

I’d never want to be Kentucky. 
 

But you do you. 

It beats whatever the heck we are and have been for the past couple decades. 

[HoosierAloha 30,089]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It beats whatever the heck we are and have been for the past couple decades. 

We've been stuck in this world between "doing it the right way" and winning. It's goofy, there might be 1 of 350+ programs that can maybe kind of sort of call themselves almost clean. We like to claim we "do it the right way" even when the evidence points in the opposite direction. It makes us feel good when we don't quite reach our goals or absolutely suck ****.

[str8baller 6,127]

13 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

We've been stuck in this world between "doing it the right way" and winning. It's goofy, there might be 1 of 350+ programs that can maybe kind of sort of call themselves almost clean. We like to claim we "do it the right way" even when the evidence points in the opposite direction. It makes us feel good when we don't quite reach our goals or absolutely suck ****.

seems naive. You assume that if we cheat we’d somehow do it better than UK or UNC. Lmao…

 

Basketball is what Indiana does and we can’t even do that right. But by all means, tell me how we’d out-Kentucky Kentucky because all of a sudden our bagmen and alumni would be better than UK’s.  
 

Yes, this seems like a fail proof plan. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,438]

seems naive. You assume that if we cheat we’d somehow do it better than UK or UNC. Lmao…
 
Basketball is what Indiana does and we can’t even do that right. But by all means, tell me how we’d out-Kentucky Kentucky because all of a sudden our bagmen and alumni would be better than UK’s.  
 
Yes, this seems like a fail proof plan. 

Gotta play the game to win the game. Sitting on the sideline won’t earn you any wins. Figure it out if you want to compete. We don’t have an identity. We recruit decent relative to the B1G and still lose. We don’t know what a winning program looks like or how we want to achieve it. Then we bring in an NBA guy who hasn’t been a head coach in a while and loses a ton in the NBA to be a first time college coach and expect him to know what it takes to win in college???

I’m shocked it’s not working out….


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[str8baller 6,127]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

loses a ton in the NBA

Just wrong. Hard to take the rest seriously. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,438]

Just wrong. Hard to take the rest seriously. 

315-365 as a head coach in the NBA. Not wrong. Get real.


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[Hoosierfan2017 22,679]

4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Just wrong. Hard to take the rest seriously. 

He won 46% of his regular season games and 39% of his playoff games. Is that supposed to impress us? No one gave him a head coaching job between 2014 and 2021. Until we did. 

[str8baller 6,127]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

315-365 as a head coach in the NBA. Not wrong. Get real.


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He was at two bad organizations and did better than the guys before him and after him. But you know…
 

Brad Stevens was .557 coach in the NBA and .477 in the playoffs with what most considered the best roster situation in the NBA at the time. What a loser…

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,438]

He was at two bad organizations and did better than the guys before him and after him. But you know…
 
Brad Stevens was .557 coach in the NBA and .477 in the playoffs with what most considered the best roster situation in the NBA at the time. What a loser…

He wasn’t hired as a head coach for 7 seasons despite constant NBA turnover. I said he lost a ton in the NBA and he did. He built a solid team at Atlanta over a long period of time. He road Carmelo’s coattails for a season in New York then dropped off. Whatever, he lost a ton, and that was my wording and hasn’t been a head coach for a while.

I’ve always been one to blame/credit the players more than the coach for W/L in college and in the NBA, but certain college coaches have systems that seem to work and get repeatable results. Woody doesn’t yet have that system.


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[Hoosierfan2017 22,679]

10 minutes ago, str8baller said:

He was at two bad organizations and did better than the guys before him and after him. But you know…
 

Brad Stevens was .557 coach in the NBA and .477 in the playoffs with what most considered the best roster situation in the NBA at the time. What a loser…

If you’re stuck explaining why losing more than half your games as a coach isn’t actually that bad, you’ve lost the argument. Stevens’ winning percentage was 10% higher than Woodson’s. He also made it to the ECF 3 times in 8 years.

But the comparison of their NBA records is silly in the first place. We don’t play in the NBA. Stevens coached college basketball, won 77% of his games, and made it to two NCAA championship games in six seasons. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,438]

He was at two bad organizations and did better than the guys before him and after him. But you know…
 
Brad Stevens was .557 coach in the NBA and .477 in the playoffs with what most considered the best roster situation in the NBA at the time. What a loser…

And Brad Stevens admittedly wasn’t a great NBA coach. Maybe that’s systems related. Who knows? Would he be able to repeat that Butler magic in college again? Who knows. It wouldn’t be easy in the Big Ten without getting superstar players, surely not a certainty.


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2 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Lol then Close your eyes and don't participate in the thread Brumdog. I'm not asking for woody to be fired. I'm asking if an insider can tell the board if the admin recognize our deficiencies (not coaching) and have a path forward.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll post where I feel like it.

[HoosierAloha 30,089]

44 minutes ago, str8baller said:

seems naive. You assume that if we cheat we’d somehow do it better than UK or UNC. Lmao…

 

Basketball is what Indiana does and we can’t even do that right. But by all means, tell me how we’d out-Kentucky Kentucky because all of a sudden our bagmen and alumni would be better than UK’s.  
 

Yes, this seems like a fail proof plan. 

What is naive about it?

Where did I assume anything? You know what they say about assuming..

Why would we need to out-Kentucky Kentucky or out Kansas or out Dook or out..?

We're a losing program. Our culture sucks. We're a has been.

Why? We play in this space that doesn't really exist. We love to "do things the right way" whatever that means even though we've made things happen behind the scenes for DECADES. We don't like to admit that because it's so Kentucky.

It is now legal to get money to players. We love to talk. We advertised the **** out of being the first program to have a nil program or whatever. We need to STFU and get it done. It's legal, we can do it. However, like you suggest, I'm sure we'd find a way to mess it up.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

5 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

What is naive about it?

Where did I assume anything? You know what they say about assuming..

Why would we need to out-Kentucky Kentucky or out Kansas or out Dook or out..?

We're a losing program. Our culture sucks. We're a has been.

Why? We play in this space that doesn't really exist. We love to "do things the right way" whatever that means even though we've made things happen behind the scenes for DECADES. We don't like to admit that because it's so Kentucky.

It is now legal to get money to players. We love to talk. We advertised the **** out of being the first program to have a nil program or whatever. We need to STFU and get it done. It's legal, we can do it. However, like you suggest, I'm sure we'd find a way to mess it up.

It's still not legal to funnel money to players in a way that's against market value. The good feet store (supposedly) can't give TJD $50,000 to twirl a sign on the street corner for an hour and the school can't be a facilitator in whatever they do.

 

[HoosierAloha 30,089]

Just now, HoosierHoops1 said:

It's still not legal to funnel money to players in a way that's against market value. The good feet store (supposedly) can't give TJD $50,000 to twirl a sign on the street corner for an hour and the school can't be a facilitator in whatever they do.

 

It wasn't legal for relatives of players to land jobs at places in Btown they weren't qualified for but it happened. I know, it never happened because we're not Kentucky.

We can figure out ways to get high end players money to play at IU while building a program or we can keep saying "it's still not legal." There are plenty of ways to get players money. Like was posted before, what is market value to play 1v1 against a player for 30 minutes? What is market value for Lander to play a video game with someone? What is market value for Ken Nunn to really love IU basketball?