Game Thread: Minn at IU, Weds 9:00 on BTN

[Stuhoo]

Just now, cappymo14 said:

I don’t feel like they run anything where a perimeter shot is the desired result. Most of them seem to come in transition or as a result of an over help from penetration. Even after reading the latest numbers, I’d still warn to keep attempts under 15/game. Too many air-balls and backboard smashers. Those go as attempts in the books but what they really are is turnovers.


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Generally agree, though last night they ran pick and pops for a Hunter 3 ball twice. It was nice.

[HoosierAloha]

I don’t feel like they run anything where a perimeter shot is the desired result. Most of them seem to come in transition or as a result of an over help from penetration. Even after reading the latest numbers, I’d still warn to keep attempts under 15/game. Too many air-balls and backboard smashers. Those go as attempts in the books but what they really are is turnovers.


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Generally agree, though last night they ran pick and pops for a Hunter 3 ball twice. It was nice.

Also ran an elevator screen for Armaan after Durham and Hunter (I believe) had hit threes.

We run stuff for perimeter shots but we don’t always take them.


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[cappymo14]

Also ran an elevator screen for Armaan after Durham and Hunter (I believe) had hit threes.

We run stuff for perimeter shots but we don’t always take them.


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Being proficient enough that the threat is there now, should truly help the offense. We don’t have to hoist 30 of them to be effective, we just need to hit on about 3 per half to keep things open underneath. What a giant difference it makes, even before a shot is ever taken, knowing that the perimeter has to be defended.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, cappymo14 said:

Being proficient enough that the threat is there now, should truly help the offense. We don’t have to hoist 30 of them to be effective, we just need to hit on about 3 per half to keep things open underneath. What a giant difference it makes, even before a shot is ever taken, knowing that the perimeter has to be defended.


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3 per half? That's only 6 a game. That's not keeping any defense honest. Maybe in 1987. 

[cappymo14]

3 per half? That's only 6 a game. That's not keeping any defense honest. Maybe in 1987. 

That’s fine. Make it 4 then. My point is the same. Be efficient enough there to make people respect it. I don’t think you will be happy with the results if this team starts launching 30 a game though. It’s one mans opinion. Y’all can agree or not. Mine is limit attempts to under 17, hot or not. They won’t go above that anyway soooo.

 

 

Edit: there were several games this season I would have shanked a man for six 3’s

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

That’s fine. Make it 4 then. My point is the same. Be efficient enough there to make people respect it. I don’t think you will be happy with the results if this team starts launching 30 a game though. It’s one mans opinion. Y’all can agree or not. Mine is limit attempts to under 17, hot or not. They won’t go above that anyway soooo.


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Getting closer. Team needs to be hitting 12+ a game. 

[cappymo14]

Getting closer. Team needs to be hitting 12+ a game. 

I have difficulty imagining that with the current group but ohh man, they’d be absolutely unbeatable.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

4 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

I have difficulty imagining that with the current group but ohh man, they’d be absolutely unbeatable.


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It would be fairly revolutionary in the college game as well. Less being worried about getting fouled and more worried about actually scoring. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

12 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

That’s fine. Make it 4 then. My point is the same. Be efficient enough there to make people respect it. I don’t think you will be happy with the results if this team starts launching 30 a game though. It’s one mans opinion. Y’all can agree or not. Mine is limit attempts to under 17, hot or not. They won’t go above that anyway soooo.

 

 

Edit: there were several games this season I would have shanked a man for six 3’s

 

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We average 6.3 threes a game right now. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

And if anyone wants to know compared to the 3 good teams we've had over the past 15 years...

2011-2012 we averaged 6.4 threes per game. 

2012-2013 we averaged 7.1. 

2015-2016 we averaged 9.9

[Uspshoosier]

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/three-pointers-made-per-game

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And if anyone wants to know compared to the 3 good teams we've had over the past 15 years...

2011-2012 we averaged 6.4 threes per game. 

2012-2013 we averaged 7.1. 

2015-2016 we averaged 9.9

We should be hitting at least 8-9 per game. It’s part of what made Crean’s teams dangerous. They could catch fire from 3 and detonate on teams. I still remember the Maryland game my sophomore year. We weren’t very good that year but we hit 15 threes and ran them out of assembly hall. 
 

 Archie’s offense doesn’t work in today’s game. You need to be able to take threes at a respectable rate.  We only take 18 a game, and at least 3-4 a game seem to be shot clock heaves. It’s hard to win when you’re getting out scored so much from behind the arc. We can’t hit threes, and we can’t hit free throws. Our offense seems centered on drawing fouls. We’re 8th in the NCAA in FTAs. But we’re 288th in free throw percentage. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

And for how rare it is for a team to average 12+ threes a game, a list on what teams have done it over the last 20 seasons...

08-09 VA Military 13.2

16-17 Savannah State 12.8

16-17 Central Michigan 12.6

06-07 VA Military 12.4

17-18 Savannah State 12.2

15-16 North Florida 12.0

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We should be hitting at least 8-9 per game. Archie’s offense doesn’t work in today’s game. You need to be able to take threes at a respectable rate.  We only take 18 a game, and at least 3-4 a game seem to be shot clock heaves. It’s hard to win when you’re getting out scored so much from behind the arc. We can’t hit threes, and we can’t hit free throws. Our offense seems centered on drawing fouls. We’re 8th in the NCAA in FTAs. But we’re 288th in free throw percentage. 

It really hinders the flow. We seen last night what can happen when they focus on actually hdittkng the shot... They hit some shots and the offense flowed, quick decisions were made and it looked like basketball. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It really hinders the flow. We seen last night what can happen when they focus on actually hdittkng the shot... They hit some shots and the offense flowed, quick decisions were made and it looked like basketball. 

Too often they play robotically. Phinisee especially. It’s like they’re thinking too much instead of just going out and playing. Armaan Franklin is shooting 45% from 3 on 4 attempts this year. He should be taking at least 6 or 7 a game, imo. In fact, in the 5 games where he’s taking at least 6 threes, he’s shooting 62%.
 

Basketball has transformed. You want most of your shots at the rim or behind the arc. But for whatever reason Archie doesn’t seem to want to play that way.  

[cappymo14]

It’s all great to want 10-12 3’s per game. What bothers me is how many shots it takes them to get that. In the end, it’s a team with a 35% avg. 17-20 attempts per game is plenty.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Too often they play robotically. Phinisee especially. It’s like they’re thinking too much instead of just going out and playing. Armaan Franklin is shooting 45% from 3 on 4 attempts this year. He should be taking at least 6 or 7 a game, imo. In fact, in the 5 games where he’s taking at least 6 threes, he’s shooting 62%.
 

Basketball has transformed. You want most of your shots at the rim or behind the arc. But for whatever reason Archie doesn’t seem to want to play that way.  

There's no reason that Armaan isn't taking that many. He and Durham should be averaging about 16-18 threes combined. Durham should just be sitting in the corner and running off screens, catching and shooting ONLY. Phinisee needs to be taking about 5 per game. That passes what we do now with just 3 guys. Hunter needs to be the guy in the opposite corner on drives and shooting 5 a game. Leal needs to be shooting 3-5 a game. Race needs to be shooting at least 2 a game. The team just needs to shoot more. They pass up so many shots because they have to continue walking through their offensive sets. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 minute ago, cappymo14 said:

It’s all great to want 10-12 3’s per game. What bothers me is how many shots it takes them to get that. In the end, it’s a team with a 35% avg. 17-20 attempts per game is plenty.


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Hitting 6.3 on 18 attempts could have worked great a decade ago. 

[cappymo14]

Hitting 6.3 on 18 attempts could have worked great a decade ago. 

I agreed with you that 8 was a better number. The thing is. I believe if you allow this team to start chucking, it will end in disaster. I also think you are right about the Archie style not working in modern ball. It’s this team though. What works with this team. It’s not chunking it from deep. No way.

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, cappymo14 said:

It’s all great to want 10-12 3’s per game. What bothers me is how many shots it takes them to get that. In the end, it’s a team with a 35% avg. 17-20 attempts per game is plenty.


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It’s really not, though. Say we go on the high end of your range. 20 threes a game puts you at 240th in the country out of 347. 17 a game puts you at 322nd. Teams are shooting tons of threes these days because coaches realize it’s efficient offense. 25/game doesn’t even put you in the top 50. 
 

You don’t have to shoot a ton of threes to succeed, but you better be elite at other aspects of the game if you don’t. We’re not.