Game Thread: Illinois @ Indiana Tues., Feb. 2, 9 pm ESPN/2

[JSHoosier 22,265]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Yes -5

Then -5, I'm certain the admin would screw it up.

[Chris007 62,616]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Then -5, I'm certain the admin would screw it up.

You mean you don't want the 5th best coach in the Mountain West? 5th best team I should say. I don't know the other coaches so Steve might not be the 5th best

[JSHoosier 22,265]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You mean you don't want the 5th best coach in the Mountain West? 5th best team I should say. I don't know the other coaches so Steve might not be the 5th best

I don't want Alford, there's not an IU guy that I think is a good enough coach; I want to see more as a HC from Fife.

[Chris007 62,616]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

I don't want Alford, there's not an IU guy that I think is a good enough coach; I want to see more as a HC from Fife.

Fife is the only IU guy I would get behind. I wouldn't pay him what Archie is making but I would give him a shot. 

[JSHoosier 22,265]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Fife is the only IU guy I would get behind. I wouldn't pay him what Archie is making but I would give him a shot. 

I like that he's on Izzo's bench and hopefully learning (although we know you can be on his bench and not learn anything...), but would prefer he have a chance to show it.

[LamarCheeks 22,301]

33 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Fife is the only IU guy I would get behind. I wouldn't pay him what Archie is making but I would give him a shot. 

Of all the "IU" candidates, he's the only one I'd (very grudgingly) be OK with. Not interested in Alford, Woodson, Wittman or Isiah. 

My huge concerns with him: 
1) He was very underwhelming as a head coach at Fort Wayne -- granted he was very young, so I'm willing to give him a pass for that (barely).
2) Izzo assistants haven't exactly lit the world on fire. We should know; we had one. And I can't help but wonder with as long as he's been on staff there (presumably he's the lead assistant), why he hasn't gotten a second go-round yet as a HC? I worry that with him, we'd be just getting an Archie with IU ties, but without the resume. 

[Josh 13,291]

1 hour ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

I really don’t think Archie has set us back at all. As far as the next coach, if he’s a good hire, taking whats here and running with it.

As bad as we have played and inconsistency we have still been in most games. We still have terrible losses and the texas loss, but it’s not like we’re getting blown out every game. The team IMO has a solid foundation, and have no off court issues, and seems like if there are they are handled immediately and sternly (hunter) and they play with effort most the time.

If our next hire is the right guy I truly think the current team has a solid foundation to run with and you’re not really going too far backwards. I too thought Archie was a good hire at the time; definitely was a highly respected and sought after guy, it just hasn’t panned out and I can admit I was wrong about him. I just still do not want to fire an Archie to hire another Archie and be here again in four years. If you fire him you HAVE to have the right guy lined up


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Imo the foundation was pretty solid when Crean left too.  I think there was more talent left for Archie than he'll leave the next guy though.

[Stuhoo 90,850]

10 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Of all the "IU" candidates, he's the only one I'd (very grudgingly) be OK with. Not interested in Alford, Woodson, Wittman or Isiah. 

My huge concerns with him: 
1) He was very underwhelming as a head coach at Fort Wayne -- granted he was very young, so I'm willing to give him a pass for that (barely).

Arguably, Fife was very successful at IU Ft. Wayne.

The first four Ft. Wayne Division 1 years--the 'pre-Fife' DI era:

Statistics overview

Season	Coach	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Doug Noll (Independent) (2001–2006)
2001–02	Doug Noll	7–21
2002–03	Doug Noll	9–21
2003–04	Doug Noll	3–25
2004–05	Doug Noll (3–13) Joe Pechota (4–9)	7–22

 

Followed by the Ft. Wayne Fife era:

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
IPFW (Independent) (2005–2006)
2005–06	IPFW	10–18
IPFW (United Basketball Conference) (2006–2007)
2006–07	IPFW	12–17	6–4	3rd
IPFW (The Summit League) (2007–2011)
2007–08	IPFW	13–18	9–9	5th
2008–09	IPFW	13–17	8–10	5th
2009–10	IPFW	16–15	9–9	5th
2010–11	IPFW	18–12	11–7	4th

 

[Chris007 62,616]

2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Of all the "IU" candidates, he's the only one I'd (very grudgingly) be OK with. Not interested in Alford, Woodson, Wittman or Isiah. 

My huge concerns with him: 
1) He was very underwhelming as a head coach at Fort Wayne -- granted he was very young, so I'm willing to give him a pass for that (barely).
2) Izzo assistants haven't exactly lit the world on fire. We should know; we had one. And I can't help but wonder with as long as he's been on staff there (presumably he's the lead assistant), why he hasn't gotten a second go-round yet as a HC? I worry that with him, we'd be just getting an Archie with IU ties, but without the resume. 

I think I read somewhere that he was on a radio show or podcast somewhere

 

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

Imo the foundation was pretty solid when Crean left too.  I think there was more talent left for Archie than he'll leave the next guy though.

Are you really being serious or is that just an ax to grind? 

[Chris007 62,616]

23 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Of all the "IU" candidates, he's the only one I'd (very grudgingly) be OK with. Not interested in Alford, Woodson, Wittman or Isiah. 

My huge concerns with him: 
1) He was very underwhelming as a head coach at Fort Wayne -- granted he was very young, so I'm willing to give him a pass for that (barely).
2) Izzo assistants haven't exactly lit the world on fire. We should know; we had one. And I can't help but wonder with as long as he's been on staff there (presumably he's the lead assistant), why he hasn't gotten a second go-round yet as a HC? I worry that with him, we'd be just getting an Archie with IU ties, but without the resume. 

I either heard on the Peegs podcast or one of the radio interviews that Dane said he was waiting for a major D 1 job to open. Wasn't going to take a mid-major and work his way up. If my memory serves me correct which it might not since I've been drinking more since the pandemic

[Josh 13,291]

17 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Are you really being serious or is that just an ax to grind? 

I sharpened my hatchet a few weeks ago when it started getting cold.  I'm serious.  Archie inherited NBA player Juwon Morgan and also the best scorer of his tenure Devonte Green.  Assuming TJD leaves after this year (as is the plan I believe), the next coach doesn't get near as much.

[Chris007 62,616]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I sharpened my hatchet a few weeks ago when it started getting cold.  I'm serious.  Archie inherited NBA player Juwon Morgan and also the best scorer of his tenure Devonte Green.  Assuming TJD leaves after this year (as is the plan I believe), the next coach doesn't get near as much.

I guess that is the great thing about basketball is that we all see things differently. If I'm a new coach I would love all the young guys IU has to work with, not only good kids, but smart kids. I keep hearing TJD leaving but what a late 1st round, early 2nd round. Develop a jumper and top 15 next year. But I don't know the family situation maybe they need the money. I won't judge if that's the case.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 93,321]

One of the keys to me will be the background of our next university president.  If he's a Fat Aussie clone, then nothing is likely to change in regards to athletic focus.  But maybe, just maybe, it will be someone who has demonstrated a genuine interest in athletics at his previous position.

A job as a long time assistant at a B1G school under a highly successful head coach where recruiting is paramount vs. a head coach with 6 yrs. experience at a military academy where recruiting is far from paramount?  Rhetorical question.

Honest question.  Is there a coach out there today who really has produced a quality coaching tree?  Everyone seems to talk about Coach K's proteges but none of them have really set the world on fire have they?   Slimeball?   Aw Shucks?  

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

13 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

One of the keys to me will be the background of our next university president.  If he's a Fat Aussie clone, then nothing is likely to change in regards to athletic focus.  But maybe, just maybe, it will be someone who has demonstrated a genuine interest in athletics at his previous position.

A job as a long time assistant at a B1G school under a highly successful head coach where recruiting is paramount vs. a head coach with 6 yrs. experience at a military academy where recruiting is far from paramount?  Rhetorical question.

Honest question.  Is there a coach out there today who really has produced a quality coaching tree?  Everyone seems to talk about Coach K's proteges but none of them have really set the world on fire have they?   Slimeball?   Aw Shucks?  

I couldn't name all his assistants but I believe Thad Matta has had some solid assistants under him. 

[Josh 13,291]

9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I couldn't name all his assistants but I believe Thad Matta has had some solid assistants under him. 

Wait...wasn't one of them Archie Miller?  The rest better be damn good then

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

10 minutes ago, Josh said:

Wait...wasn't one of them Archie Miller?  The rest better be damn good then

Archie, I believe Sean too.  Stevens was an assistant for a short period.  Groce (note, I'm not claiming he was a decent head coach at Ill, he wasn't) was okay at Ohio and did WONDERFUL things for him while he was at O$U.

[rcbowla 8,282]

Arguably, Fife was very successful at IU Ft. Wayne.
The first four Ft. Wayne Division 1 years--the 'pre-Fife' DI era:

Statistics overview

Season	Coach	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
Doug Noll (Independent) (2001–2006)
2001–02	Doug Noll	7–21
2002–03	Doug Noll	9–21
2003–04	Doug Noll	3–25
2004–05	Doug Noll (3–13) Joe Pechota (4–9)	7–22

 
Followed by the Ft. Wayne Fife era:

Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
IPFW (Independent) (2005–2006)
2005–06	IPFW	10–18
IPFW (United Basketball Conference) (2006–2007)
2006–07	IPFW	12–17	6–4	3rd
IPFW (The Summit League) (2007–2011)
2007–08	IPFW	13–18	9–9	5th
2008–09	IPFW	13–17	8–10	5th
2009–10	IPFW	16–15	9–9	5th
2010–11	IPFW	18–12	11–7	4th

 

Yeah I remember seeing some local reporters singing his praises during his time at then IPFW.

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[IUc2016 7,121]

If it is an IU guy, it should be Fife and it isn't even close IMO. Not saying that is who I want but I could get behind him unlike any of the others mentioned. 

[Chris007 62,616]

Joe Lunardi still has us in. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,324]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Fife is the only IU guy I would get behind. I wouldn't pay him what Archie is making but I would give him a shot. 

With the standard we set with Alford, I'd Say Fife is a no go too by just being on MSUs staff. Shady RapeU isn't anything we should want a part of anymore. And we have no clue what Fife has known of while being there.