(2017) CB Quran Hafiz

[Josh 12,549]

Lots of confusing information. Many different stories, the girl doesn't know what was consentual and what was not, police didn't file charges. Nobody knows at this point. I hate to persecute this kid without due process. What a mess.

The only thing that sounds 100% in a court of law is that a minor had sexual relations with adults. That will be interesting to see the outcome.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Lots of confusing information. Many different stories, the girl doesn't know what was consentual and what was not, police didn't file charges. Nobody knows at this point. I hate to persecute this kid without due process. What a mess.

The only thing that sounds 100% in a court of law is that a minor had sexual relations with adults. That will be interesting to see the outcome.

Is that Minnesota state law? There are some state out there with weird laws.

[Josh 12,549]

Is that Minnesota state law? There are some state out there with weird laws.

Good call, I don't know.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,817]

I know I'm probably in the vast minority in my opinion, but message boards are meant for people's opinions, and I'll keep it respectful...

If we did pull his scholarship I think it's bs and was done to avoid having to answer a few tough questions at a future press conference. Whatever happened that night it wasn't enough for the prosecutor's office to pursue charges. I understand that due process only applies to the legal system, but I hate that nowadays all it takes is allegations for kids' lives to be ruined. The deadspin article makes the situation seem like a complete mess. The girl doesn't know who she consented to, who she didn't, etc., and it sounds like Hafiz was gone before the majority of the actions took place. The deadspin report says that the girl "didn’t want to have oral sex with the player, but “felt compelled", but it never says that Hafiz did anything to force her into having sex.. If she's not resisting, telling him no, etc. it might be hard to know how she feels if she's going along with the situation. For all Hafiz knew this could have just been part of the recruiting visit. We can pretend that it doesn't happen, but I feel confident in saying that it's probably pretty common for many recruiting visits to involve partying and setting recruits up with chicks. Not saying it's right, but I think it happens fairly often. After this happened he said that the school was "****** up" and left.

We can't hold him accountable for what happened once he left. We've had athletes do much worse things than what it sounds like he did and remain on their teams. 

[Josh 12,549]

I know I'm probably in the vast minority in my opinion, but message boards are meant for people's opinions, and I'll keep it respectful...

If we did pull his scholarship I think it's bs and was done to avoid having to answer a few tough questions at a future press conference. Whatever happened that night it wasn't enough for the prosecutor's office to pursue charges. I understand that due process only applies to the legal system, but I hate that nowadays all it takes is allegations for kids' lives to be ruined. The deadspin article makes the situation seem like a complete mess. The girl doesn't know who she consented to, who she didn't, etc., and it sounds like Hafiz was gone before the majority of the actions took place. The deadspin report says that the girl "didn’t want to have oral sex with the player, but “felt compelled", but it never says that Hafiz did anything to force her into having sex.. If she's not resisting, telling him no, etc. it might be hard to know how she feels if she's going along with the situation. For all Hafiz knew this could have just been part of the recruiting visit. We can pretend that it doesn't happen, but I feel confident in saying that it's probably pretty common for many recruiting visits to involve partying and setting recruits up with chicks. Not saying it's right, but I think it happens fairly often. After this happened he said that the school was "****** up" and left.

We can't hold him accountable for what happened once he left. We've had athletes do much worse things than what it sounds like he did and remain on their teams. 

I don't think you're in the vast minority. The prosecutors office didn't press any charges. I just think some opinions have been very vocal lately.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

14 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I know I'm probably in the vast minority in my opinion, but message boards are meant for people's opinions, and I'll keep it respectful...

If we did pull his scholarship I think it's bs and was done to avoid having to answer a few tough questions at a future press conference. Whatever happened that night it wasn't enough for the prosecutor's office to pursue charges. I understand that due process only applies to the legal system, but I hate that nowadays all it takes is allegations for kids' lives to be ruined. The deadspin article makes the situation seem like a complete mess. The girl doesn't know who she consented to, who she didn't, etc., and it sounds like Hafiz was gone before the majority of the actions took place. The deadspin report says that the girl "didn’t want to have oral sex with the player, but “felt compelled", but it never says that Hafiz did anything to force her into having sex.. If she's not resisting, telling him no, etc. it might be hard to know how she feels if she's going along with the situation. For all Hafiz knew this could have just been part of the recruiting visit. We can pretend that it doesn't happen, but I feel confident in saying that it's probably pretty common for many recruiting visits to involve partying and setting recruits up with chicks. Not saying it's right, but I think it happens fairly often. After this happened he said that the school was "****** up" and left.

We can't hold him accountable for what happened once he left. We've had athletes do much worse things than what it sounds like he did and remain on their teams. 
 

I think it's more of a question of a moral line. Looks like our coach drew his, and I'm very comfortable with that decision.

As for the police report and lack of charges, the deadspin article highlighted some seemingly important pieces of information that did not appear in the police report. Strange situation there...


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[Hoosierfan2017 20,817]

8 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I think it's more of a question of a moral line. Looks like our coach drew his, and I'm very comfortable with that decision.

As for the police report and lack of charges, the deadspin article highlighted some seemingly important pieces of information that didn't not appear in the police report. Strange situation there...


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I think it's important to separate what Hafiz was involved with from what happened after he left. When it's all lumped together it sounds really bad and makes bringing him into our program look like a terrible decision. Sexual assault allegations get a lot of coverage in the media today and you don't want that attached to your program. To me, what our recruit did sounds more like a drunken hookup than a sexual assault. If CTA wants to draw the line there then I don't have a problem with it, but I think he would struggle to field a team if drunken hookups were his line in the sand. 

[Josh 12,549]

I think it's more of a question of a moral line. Looks like our coach drew his, and I'm very comfortable with that decision.

As for the police report and lack of charges, the deadspin article highlighted some seemingly important pieces of information that didn't not appear in the police report. Strange situation there...


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Could be. I don't have a problem with how the report portrays Hafiz. I'd be a huge hypocrite if I did. College is a funny time

[Hovadipo 54,926]

I think the school has every right to pull the scholly. Sure, maybe he didn't cross some people's lines (which is fine), or didn't break the law, but he (allegedly) was in a sketchy situation with sketchy people on an official visit and it ended up being put out there for the public to see. Watch the company you keep, if you ask me.


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[Josh 12,549]

I think the school has every right to pull the scholly. Sure, maybe he didn't cross some people's lines (which is fine), or didn't break the law, but he (allegedly) was in a sketchy situation with sketchy people on an official visit and it ended up being put out there for the public to see. Watch the company you keep, if you ask me.


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The report sounds to me like he saw how sketchy it was getting and he left. Good on him.

[Hovadipo 54,926]

The report sounds to me like he saw how sketchy it was getting and he left. Good on him.

After (allegedly) doing what he did to the girl that told the police she felt trapped in the room lol. I'm not shocked this is how this conversation is going.


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[Josh 12,549]

After (allegedly) doing what he did to the girl that told the police she felt trapped in the room lol. I'm not shocked this is how this conversation is going.


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The police know more than either of us. They're not pressing charges.

I'm not saying it's an absolute truth. I just think there's plenty to suggest that you and know the least about the situation. What are you shocked about?

[Hoosierfan2017 20,817]

9 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

After (allegedly) doing what he did to the girl that told the police she felt trapped in the room lol. I'm not shocked this is how this conversation is going.


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But can you punish a kid for the way someone says they "feel" if they didn't do anything to make them feel that way? Hafiz might not have had any idea how she was feeling if she internalizes it and doesn't say anything. What allegedly happened between Hafiz and the girl really doesn't sound much different from what happens in dorm rooms, apartments and frat houses on college campuses across the country every weekend. The situation was getting too sketchy for him and he got out of it. What happened after he left, as tragic as it allegedly was, wasn't on him. 

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

He put himself in that situation and has to deal with the results. Life is full of choices and consequences. He decided to be involved in a questionable situation so he shouldn't be too upset some are questioning his character.

[Dalton26 16,892]

If he felt the situation was sketchy why didn't he call the police or get help? That's one of my biggest questions.

I'm back and forth with it. I can understand the consensual/nonconsensual argument on both sides. Morally I think it is wrong but I'm also not the ultimate judge. Two people can read a situation completely different, she may have felt trapped but by her going along with everything he could've thought she was into it. All I know is the outcome of that night is extremely fucked up.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,817]

2 minutes ago, Dalton26 said:

If he felt the situation was sketchy why didn't he call the police or get help? That's one of my biggest questions.

I'm back and forth with it. All I know is the outcome of that night is extremely fucked up.

It said he was really drunk, maybe he didn't want to call the police and risk getting in trouble for underage drinking. Idk

[Josh 12,549]

If he felt the situation was sketchy why didn't he call the police or get help? That's one of my biggest questions.

I'm back and forth with it. All I know is the outcome of that night is extremely fucked up.

Because he was drunk for one of the first times in his life, at a college situation he's not used to, and following an assigned recruit mentor?

I don't know how to feel exactly either. I just know I'm not ready to throw him away over it.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

It said he was really drunk, maybe he didn't want to call the police and risk getting in trouble for underage drinking. Idk

That just adds more to it. He's 17, drunk, and in sketchy situations. I get that it's more common than many think but that's just fucked up.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Because he was drunk for one of the first times in his life, at a college situation he's not used to, and following an assigned recruit mentor?

I don't know how to feel exactly either. I just know I'm not ready to throw him away over it.

Alcohol isn't an excuse. There's been plenty of drunk students on campus that haven't sexually assaulted anyone. If his mentor jumps off a bridge does he follow?

If he didn't understand the meaning of consensual before I hope he understands it moving forward. That goes for anyone that doesn't understand.

[lucel15 3,052]

So I don't think he knows he's not a hoosier


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