2017 updated recruit wish list

[WayneFleekHoosier]

My updated list: my order of interest. ( ) indicates low odds

PG: 1. (Duval) 2. (Scruggs) 3. Waters 4. (Coleman) 5. Barcello 6. Isaiah Washington 7. Alvarado

SG: 1. (Diallo) 2. Chaundee Brown 3. (MJ Walker) 4.(Weatherspoon) 4. Beatty

SF: 1. Wilkes 2. (Brian Bowen) 3. Jermaine Samuels 4. (Brandon Randolph) 5. Justin Smith 6. Jordan Tucker

PF: 1. (Jaren Jackson)

C: 1. (Bamba) 2. (Richards) 3. Gak

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Who am I missing? Any more PFs?

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think I read we are off Garza's newest list. Not sure though.

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[HoosierAloha]

At some point, maybe tomorrow, I'm going to go through and update all the players who've we made the cut for so far.  Hopefully we could keep it updated.  I'm interested to see just who we've made the cut for and who we will make the cut for. 

Off the top of my head

Scruggs (final 8)

Wilkes (final 11)

Gak (final 5)

Smith (final 7)

Barcello (final 5))

Waters (final 7)

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Beatty (final 8)

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just put Scruggs in ( ). [emoji23]

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Xavier is crooked too. Bluiett's family says thanks!

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[GnarlyNormEllenberger]

Just a few thoughts...

I am disappointed that we aren't having as much luck with our in-state recruiting for this class, but I can't necessarily say that I am discouraged. Personally, I am not convinced that guys like Williams and Scruggs are much better than some of the other guys we're recruiting. Don't get me wrong... Williams (247 composite ranking: 32) and Scruggs (247 composite ranking: 31) are very good and I would be happy to have them as Hoosiers. But those two guys seem to get that extra talent boost in the minds of Indiana fans because they are from Indiana. But in reality, I think some of the out-of-state guys may be every bit as "good" from a talent perspective and from a "fit" perspective. They're just not from Indiana, so perhaps we don't realize how "good" they are. Let's look at a few other guys we're recruiting...

Tremont Waters (247 composite ranking: 40). Yes, he's small and that is a legitimate concern. But that also means we may be able to have more seasons with him on the team instead of leaving early for the draft, i.e. a good college player but not an NBA player. That will build continuity and could sustain success. He's also a natural, true point guard who is reported to possess a great attitude. (I like Scruggs a lot, but I have always been a bit concerned with the notion that he would suddenly become a good point guard after being a "2".) Also, Waters has offers from fellow college basketball blue bloods, so you know other big-time schools see something in him, despite his size.

Justin Smith (247 composite ranking: 67). Here's a guy who is being recruited by a number of notable programs form the region like Illinois, Wisconsin and Xavier while also possessing a Stanford offer which speaks volumes to me for reasons outside of basketball. By all accounts, he seems like another good kid who would seem to fit-in with the team from a personality standpoint and would also fit-in with the type of player Crean covets at the "3".

Jordan Tucker (247 composite ranking: 37). This guy is similarly ranked to Williams, Scruggs and Waters. He's just on the outside of the cusp of being a McDonalds-AA type of recruit and like Justin Smith, seems to fit the mold of the Crean "3". He's the type of guy from out east who always seems to wind up at Syracuse or UConn or Villanova and becomes one of their top options by the time he's a sophomore. I could see him making a similar on-court impact as Troy Williams or Christian Watford did for us. Solid player as a freshman, but becomes one of our best players by his sophomore or junior year.

I'll stop there, but that's enough information to prove my point. Say we picked up those three guys in addition to Al Durham. We have a Top 20 class with staying power. That class may not win a national championship for us by itself, but they would be great players to convince guys from the 2018 and 2019 classes like Romeo Langford, Darius Garland and Trendon Watford that we are just a "superstar" away from one. Of course, I'd like to add a post player to the 2017 class as well (the De'Ron Davis situation makes me uneasy.) But after Crean pulled off Bryant a couple years back, I'll give him the spring to see if he can work his magic again.

[Stuhoo]

 

I'm sure that there are others that also fit the mold, but Wilkes, Waters, J. Smith, Gak, Bamba, J. Tucker all have two very, very important things in common:

1. Top 75 players
2. Completely squared away young men

Along with Durham, I'd gladly welcome any of 'em.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

FWIW and because I have all these statistics.....  Here's a synopsis of how our '17 PG targets fared during their respective AAU seasons.  And before someone jumps up and down that I missed so and so; yes, I probably did.

Jose Alvarado '17 (PG) - The Rens				2016 EYBL Season
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
Avg	11.3	40%		37%		70%		4	5	2	2
20 Games

David Beatty '17 (PG) - Team Philly Pride

Date

Pts.

FGM

FGA

3PM

3PA

FTM

FTA

Reb

Assts.

TO's

Stls.

Blks.

12 Games

Avg

14

45%

35%

69%

3

3

2

1

0

 

Alex Barcello '17 (PG) - Oakland Soldiers				2016 EYBL Season							0
Date	`	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
Avg	18.9	45%		37%		82%		4	3	2	1
15 Games

Matt Coleman '17 (PG) - Boo Williams				2016 EYBL Season
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
15 Games
Avg	12.5	53%		21%		73%		3	3	3	1

 

Paul Scruggs '17 (PG) -
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
12 Games
Avg	14.1	60%		54%		72%		6	5	2	1

 

Isaiah Washington '17 (PG) - New Heights    17U
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
12 Games
Avg	13.6	39%		30%		71%		5	5	2	1

Tremont Waters '17 (PG) - Expressions Elite     2016 EYBL Season         Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 21 Games                       Avg 13.2 41%   34%   85%   4 5 3 2
Nick Weatherspoon '17 (PG) - MBA Hoops                 Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 16 Games                       Avg 22.1 42%   36%   79%   4.8 3.5 2.9 1.3   Trevon Duval '17 (PG) - WE R1                       Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 16 Games                       Avg 16.5 39.9%   43.0%     61.4% 5 5 3 2

 

[Bowhunter]

All good points but Indiana has too much talent year in and year out in our home state not to land more of them. Not dogging our coaching staff, just seems like there is a disconnect with local kids.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

'17 SG targets and our '17 commit Al Durham

Chaundee Brown - '17 (SG)
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
Avg	19.9	52%		42%		84%		6	2	2	1
18 Games
Hamidou Diallo '17 (SG)
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
20 Games
Avg	19.0	45%		22%		63%		6	2	2	2
Al Durham '17 (SG)
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
16 Games
Avg	14.9	32%		25%		75%		5	4	3	1
Brandon Randolph '17 (SG)
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
20 Games
Avg	15.5	47%		38%		87%		3	1	1	1
Lonnie Walker '17 (SG)
Date	Pts.	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	Reb	Assts.	TO's	Stls.
21 Games
Avg	16.6	45%		39%		72%		5	3	2	1

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

And our '17 forward targets   Brian Bowen '17 (SF)                      Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 22 Games                       Avg 19.9 45%   24%   76%   7 2 3 1                                                 Zach Gunn '17 (SF)                      Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 17 Games                       Avg 7.6 46%   31%   71%   5 1 1 1                                                 Jaren Jackson '17 (PF)                     Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 21 Games                       Avg 15.7 45%   44%   80%   7 1 2 1                                                 Jermaine Samuels Jr. '17 (SF)                    Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 22 Games                       Avg 13.4 46%   33%   73%   7 2 2 1                                                                         Justin Smith '17 (SF)                     Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 13 Games                       Avg 10.3 43%   26%   40%   4 1 2 1                                                                         Jordan Tucker '17 (SF)                      Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 22 Games                       Avg 15.3 41%   44%   77%   4 2 1 1                                                 Kris Wilkes '17 (SF)                      Date Pts. FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA Reb Assts. TO's  Stls. 15 Games                       Avg 18.3 53%   24%   55%   7 1 2 2

[Walking Boot of Doom]

All good points but Indiana has too much talent year in and year out in our home state not to land more of them. Not dogging our coaching staff, just seems like there is a disconnect with local kids.

Can't do much except perform as a program. these kids don't care as much about that. They want to play NOW and want the NBA.

[HoosierAloha]

Not sure who does HSL but interesting take. Landing both Tucker and Wilkes would make us tall on the wing.

[AKHoosier]

^^I'd definitely take that class as long as one of those "two others" includes a big guy.

[HoosierAloha]

3 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

^^I'd definitely take that class as long as one of those "two others" includes a big guy.

Waters, Durham, Wilkes, Tucker, and Deng....  yeah I'd be stoked about that class.  That's a top 5 class added to what should be at least a solid core of returning players in Newkirk, RoJo, CuJo, Morgan, and Davis, probably OG too.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Chaundee Brown continues to get CB to Kansas and Scruggs to Xavier.

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[HoosierAloha]

Not unusual, Scruggs is on an official visit to Xavier so you'll have more CB going that way.  Is Brown visiting Kansas?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Browns final 4. KU, UMaryland, Wake Forest, Florida.

Great get for Kansas, again!

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