Free Market Recruiting

[X-Hoosier]

Who cares if a kid is in college. Why should his stage in life determine how much money he makes?  The value they bring to the university is far greater than the scholarship being provided. 

There definitely needs to be a cap bc of competitive balance. I K ow people who were on full ride scholarships who had jobs that paid more than what these "student athletes" are getting as a stipend. 

My my personal opinion is make them employees and a salary. Let them pay for their education and skip the scholarship all together. The school can give a discount if they give other employees discounts. 

Will this have an effect on non revenue sports? Possibly. But there is enough money to pay these players and keep the other sports alive. 

If the basketball players are getting paid would the football, women's bb, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, water Polo, track field, and any other athletes have to be paid as well?

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

If the basketball players are getting paid would the football, women's bb, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, water Polo, track field, and any other athletes have to be paid as well?

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Free market would dictate that. Unless sport makes them money, the answer is no. It's a crazy thought but cheating programs would lose their edge or at worst it would be equalized.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Here's the difficult thing. Take VO for example. As he recruit he was worth pennies. As a Junior he was a top 5 player in the country. Not sure how Bilas model accounts for this.

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No athletic scholarships in the Ivy League

[Hovadipo]

Here's the difficult thing. Take VO for example. As he recruit he was worth pennies. As a Junior he was a top 5 player in the country. Not sure how Bilas model accounts for this.

Good point. Are there yearly contract negotiations? A student/athlete union? Lol yikes. This model is a nightmare.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Good point. Are there yearly contract negotiations? A student/athlete union? Lol yikes. This model is a nightmare.

Not sure, the host debating with him didn't bring this point up.

I suppose there would still be the same competitive balance as there is now. With Hields, Oladipos, Currys, etc, etc.

Chris Webber went for 200,000 twenty years ago. Inflation?

Shaq admitted to getting paid recently.

Didn't some Anthony Davis rumors circulate?

[Feathery]

2 hours ago, X-Hoosier said:

If the basketball players are getting paid would the football, women's bb, baseball, softball, men's and women's soccer, water Polo, track field, and any other athletes have to be paid as well?

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By making them employees and skipping the scholarship, Title IX doesn't apply. If the university wants to employee and men's football and basketball program, then there isn't a law that requires them to employ a female counterpart. Schools would have to determine what they can afford to keep and what they would have to get rid of. Jay Bilas works under the model that the power conference schools make enough $ that they can pay the basketball and football players and keep all other sports viable. 

Lets be honest, mid and low majors aren't signing top tier prospects and could keep the scholarship model, should they choose too. 

Also, it would behoove sports like men's soccer to stay on a scholarship or partial scholarships as they are set up now. They don't make enough $$ for the university to say pay is over a scholarship. The scholarship is worth more. 

[MartintheMopMan]

2 hours ago, Feathery said:

By making them employees and skipping the scholarship, Title IX doesn't apply. If the university wants to employee and men's football and basketball program, then there isn't a law that requires them to employ a female counterpart. Schools would have to determine what they can afford to keep and what they would have to get rid of. Jay Bilas works under the model that the power conference schools make enough $ that they can pay the basketball and football players and keep all other sports viable. 

Lets be honest, mid and low majors aren't signing top tier prospects and could keep the scholarship model, should they choose too. 

Also, it would behoove sports like men's soccer to stay on a scholarship or partial scholarships as they are set up now. They don't make enough $$ for the university to say pay is over a scholarship. The scholarship is worth more. 

I am not a Title IX attorney, but I feel like that's not how it works.

[Scooter D]

Something else that I thought of, is that scholarships need to be for 4 years and if a player leaves early, then the coach can't use that scholly until the 4 years are up.  Would make coaches really consider who they recruit and I think it would help to separate those who are not interested in getting an education and working on developing their game from those that might be NBA ready.  

I suppose you could make the exception if they graduate in 3 years, but then I am sure the UNC's and UK's of the world would find a way to develop a basketball specific program so that their players could get a degree in one year.   

[Hovadipo]

Something else that I thought of, is that scholarships need to be for 4 years and if a player leaves early, then the coach can't use that scholly until the 4 years are up.  Would make coaches really consider who they recruit and I think it would help to separate those who are not interested in getting an education and working on developing their game from those that might be NBA ready.  

I suppose you could make the exception if they graduate in 3 years, but then I am sure the UNC's and UK's of the world would find a way to develop a basketball specific program so that their players could get a degree in one year.   

That's severely punishing a coach for recruiting the best of the best. Not happening.

[drock161]

I think that they should change the one-and-done rule. If a kid thinks he's such hot... stuff... that he can make it into the NBA right out of school, then let him. But if they go choose to go to school then they need to get a degree. Let the kids who are just there for the sport get their money and the actual STUDENT-athletes can be students. It'll get some of the bad attitudes out of the college level and increase the number of 3-4 year players.

[biteoftheapple]

I think that they should change the one-and-done rule. If a kid thinks he's such hot... stuff... that he can make it into the NBA right out of school, then let him. But if they go choose to go to school then they need to get a degree. Let the kids who are just there for the sport get their money and the actual STUDENT-athletes can be students. It'll get some of the bad attitudes out of the college level and increase the number of 3-4 year players.

You have to get the NBA and their players union to do this. And, I doubt that will happen.

[Scooter D]

2 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

That's severely punishing a coach for recruiting the best of the best. Not happening.

I have no doubt, but I am not sure that it is much crazier than the idea of paying players like they were employees.  Just throwing ideas out there...never said that it was realistic.  

It would only work if the one-and-done rule was eliminated, which I am all for. so that kids had the option.  Besides, I think that the baseball rule is much better and would be more effective for both the NBA and the college game.  

[drock161]

4 hours ago, Scooter D said:

I have no doubt, but I am not sure that it is much crazier than the idea of paying players like they were employees.  Just throwing ideas out there...never said that it was realistic.  

It would only work if the one-and-done rule was eliminated, which I am all for. so that kids had the option.  Besides, I think that the baseball rule is much better and would be more effective for both the NBA and the college game.  

I do like how the baseball rule works. Tying the player to the team that drafts them for a few years pretty much means that players will stick around for more than one year if they want out of that contract/could level the playing field between NBA teams.