Making room for 2015 class?

[JSHoosier 20,703]

That contract still makes me want to puke. Who could have ever thought Crean deserved that much money? 

Giving Crean that kind of contract was crazier than Gary Busey.

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http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/23/fire-coach-cost-state-schools-indiana/17771411/

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2014/11/02/doyel-do-hoosiers-dig-crean-enough-to-stop-screwing-up/18373007/

According to these two articles, it would cost $12 million to fire CTC before July 1, 2015. $7.5 million the following year.

• 2016-17: $4 million.
• 2017-18: $1 million.
• 2018-19: $1 million.
• 2019-20: $1 million.

Ok so the July part is tricky but that probably could be worked out. For example if we said hey this is not working we are making a change. Do you want $7 mill now or do you want to be reassigned until July?

I thought perhaps the other part was in Stevens contract

[8bucks 6,572]

I remember the debate too and we rehashed it when I took a Drafting class because his contract was so poorly written. His "for cause" was really weak because the terms were too vague and it wasn't clear that even violation of NCAA rules was technically cause under his contract. They ended up settling because it was cheaper than fighting it out (and there was a donation of 550,000 right at crunch time) but it's possible that Sampson would have been able to fight it and get his entire buy-out. Couple of lawyers who drafted Sampsons contract no longer do work for IU.

That's why Crean's contract has specific language about violations, they'd learned a $750,000 lesson.

On the other hand, part of the lesson is also that you can convince a coach to settle for less if you have even a framework showing of cause and you have the resources to fight it. I said earlier in the thread that I didn't think that the off-the-court "cause" would be enough anymore, but mind you, I don't think it's enough to win. It's certainly enough to leverage. I would expect people to lose their jobs if we paid him more than 2-years salary on the way out and I would be very surprised to see the number over 5 million. It's realistic that it would be as low as a year's salary.

Yeah. I think another part of the Sampson issue was how the OSU coach who had recently won his case in court to be paid his full buyout might impact us. Not that his case impacted us but perhaps the for clause language was similar

[Alford Bailey 12,424]

Giving Crean that kind of contract was crazier than Gary Busey.

And thats crazy!

[Alford Bailey 12,424]

Don't completely discount the fact that Crean may want to leave. I mean if it gets toxic enough he could decide to move on being the family man and such.

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I remember the debate too and we rehashed it when I took a Drafting class because his contract was so poorly written. His "for cause" was really weak because the terms were too vague and it wasn't clear that even violation of NCAA rules was technically cause under his contract. They ended up settling because it was cheaper than fighting it out (and there was a donation of 550,000 right at crunch time) but it's possible that Sampson would have been able to fight it and get his entire buy-out. Couple of lawyers who drafted Sampsons contract no longer do work for IU.
That's why Crean's contract has specific language about violations, they'd learned a $750,000 lesson.
On the other hand, part of the lesson is also that you can convince a coach to settle for less if you have even a framework showing of cause and you have the resources to fight it. I said earlier in the thread that I didn't think that the off-the-court "cause" would be enough anymore, but mind you, I don't think it's enough to win. It's certainly enough to leverage. I would expect people to lose their jobs if we paid him more than 2-years salary on the way out and I would be very surprised to see the number over 5 million. It's realistic that it would be as low as a year's salary.

Interesting and I appreciate your input. I remember having this discussion with you previously although I believe we were probably on different sides of the fence. Thanks for bringing the Sampson angle also which again is very interesting. Reading between the lines it appears IU may have an angle to opt out or at least a reduced buyout. Sound right?

[Alford Bailey 12,424]

Blackmon will get more shots next year in Stevens offense. It will be nice seeing him run off screens in Assembly Hall.

Alfordesque! :yes:

[GloryDays 5,946]

Alfordesque! :yes:

What is this screen thing that you speak of?

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Alfordesque! :yes:

Aren't Blackmon and Gary Harris basically the same player?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,992]

Aren't Blackmon and Gary Harris basically the same player?

is this a serious question? If so, no they aren't. Gary Harris was/is a legit defender. JB2 a better set shooter. Harris more physically ready/involved.

I think if JB2 improves defense and aggressiveness he can be better because he's a more natural scorer.

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Aren't Blackmon and Gary Harris basically the same player?

I think Harris was much quicker and definitely a better defender.Shooting goes to Junior.

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is this a serious question? If so, no they aren't. Gary Harris was/is a legit defender. JB2 a better set shooter. Harris more physically ready/involved.

I think if JB2 improves defense and aggressiveness he can be better because he's a more natural scorer.

You type faster than me!

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Interesting and I appreciate your input. I remember having this discussion with you previously although I believe we were probably on different sides of the fence. Thanks for bringing the Sampson angle also which again is very interesting. Reading between the lines it appears IU may have an angle to opt out or at least a reduced buyout. Sound right?

More or less. It will be a reduced buyout/settlement. I would be genuinely shocked if Indiana paid full sticker price or Crean left with nothing. The only way he leaves with nothing is he messes up something off-the-court pretty severely. We're talking NCAA violation, serious preventable infraction by the kids, half the kids failing. Something program shaking. 
 

Yeah. I think another part of the Sampson issue was how the OSU coach who had recently won his case in court to be paid his full buyout might impact us. Not that his case impacted us but perhaps the for clause language was similar

Definitely. Any coach who just won their lawsuit made it less desirable for us to engage in a lawsuit. Even if it has zero practical effects, it's the kind of thing a jury might realize before being seated and take into account without realizing it.