College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier]

44 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Does anyone have an explanation as to why Iowa State is considered a tourney team? And people want to tell me that losses don't mean anything anymore LOL.

7 Q1 wins with probably 5 of those coming against projected field teams and some more against bubble teams.  
 

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compare that to other teams near the cut line and they blow them away.   Their predictive and results base metrics are good enough     Conference record isn’t important    They are lucky they did some really good things in the non conference to equal out the crap that is their conference play      They keep losing you won’t have to worry about them getting in but if they are near the cut line they are going to make it 

 

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

7 Q1 wins with probably 5 of those coming against projected field teams and some more against bubble teams.  
 

SOS-15 

compare that to other teams near the cut line and they blow them away.   Their predictive and results base metrics are good enough     Conference record isn’t important    They are lucky they did some really good things in the non conference to equal out the crap that is their conference play      They keep losing you won’t have to worry about them getting in but if they are near the cut line they are going to make it 

 

 

Yea that's not a good enough reason when you're dead last in your own conference. You're just back up what I've said a 1000x before. Losses don't matter. The heavy reliance on Quad wins is an absolute joke. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

7 Q1 wins with probably 5 of those coming against projected field teams and some more against bubble teams.  
 

SOS-15 

compare that to other teams near the cut line and they blow them away.   Their predictive and results base metrics are good enough     Conference record isn’t important    They are lucky they did some really good things in the non conference to equal out the crap that is their conference play      They keep losing you won’t have to worry about them getting in but if they are near the cut line they are going to make it 

 

 

"Conference record doesn't matter" then why the hell doesnt the NCAA just get rid of conferences? It's the majority of the teams schedule. They went 13-0 in non conference. Who cares when they are 3-9 in 12 conference games. That's an absolute joke. It's actually an embarrassment to have them included anywhere near a tourney birth right now. 

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

"Conference record doesn't matter" then why the hell doesnt the NCAA just get rid of conferences? It's the majority of the teams schedule. They went 13-0 in non conference. Who cares when they are 3-9 in 12 conference games. That's an absolute joke. It's actually an embarrassment to have them included anywhere near a tourney birth right now. 

Yeah conference record doesn’t matter.   Not even on the team sheets.     Get ahold of the ncaa committee and voice your concerns with the selection process.   I’m guessing they got a number for you to call or just drive to Indy I think their headquarters is still there.   

[Uspshoosier]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea that's not a good enough reason when you're dead last in your own conference. You're just back up what I've said a 1000x before. Losses don't matter. The heavy reliance on Quad wins is an absolute joke. 

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

Losses to good teams matter. It's a loss. A loss is a loss. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

19 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

Sounds like a resume that at this point would be a tournament team.    7-9 against the top 2 Quads great compared to a lot of teams especially on the bubble.  Not every team can be 1 and 2 seeds.    36 at-large teams have to be selected.    Not all of them are going to have protected seed resumes 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

Nah they like money too much. It's just a fact that teams under .500 don't perform in the tourney and there is a reason. Except Cuse. 

[Uspshoosier]

10 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Nah they like money too much. It's just a fact that teams under .500 don't perform in the tourney and there is a reason. Except Cuse. 

We have talked about it many times that the set up for the ncaa tournament is set up for the high majors.   Mid-majors are and have always been in a disadvantage.   It is what it is.     I would have no problem if the selection committee decided the conference record mattered as long as the schedules were balanced until then I don’t and won’t worry about it when I’m projected the field.    
Pretty much at the beginning of this you really didn’t want me to answer the question that you asked and that you already  knew the answer to but you just wanted to respond to it to show how much you disagree with the current setup.    

[RaceToTheTop]

23 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

Doing my own system I am starting to see that there are going to be issues with any.  I'm not a fan of a team like Iowa State racking up so many in conference losses and getting in, but my system still has them in as an 11 seed. Can't just write off their unbeaten non-conference schedule when they beat three Pom top 50 and another in the top 70.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

37 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

We have talked about it many times that the set up for the ncaa tournament is set up for the high majors.   Mid-majors are and have always been in a disadvantage.   It is what it is.     I would have no problem if the selection committee decided the conference record mattered as long as the schedules were balanced until then I don’t and won’t worry about it when I’m projected the field.    
Pretty much at the beginning of this you really didn’t want me to answer the question that you asked and that you already  knew the answer to but you just wanted to respond to it to show how much you disagree with the current setup.    

Big 12 conference schedules are as balanced as you can possibly make them. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

38 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Doing my own system I am starting to see that there are going to be issues with any.  I'm not a fan of a team like Iowa State racking up so many in conference losses and getting in, but my system still has them in as an 11 seed. Can't just write off their unbeaten non-conference schedule when they beat three Pom top 50 and another in the top 70.

The best Iowa State can now do is .500 in conference and that is if they win out. They are at TCU tonight, who they lost to at home then it's Oklahoma, WVU, at KSU who they just lost to at home, Oklahoma State and at Baylor. 

 

I will always believe the NCAA should make a standard of being at least .500 in conference. Just believe there should be standards for things like the tourney so they don't get watered down for money. 

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The best Iowa State can now do is .500 in conference and that is if they win out. They are at TCU tonight, who they lost to at home then it's Oklahoma, WVU, at KSU who they just lost to at home, Oklahoma State and at Baylor. 

 

I will always believe the NCAA should make a standard of being at least .500 in conference. Just believe there should be standards for things like the tourney so they don't get watered down for money. 

So is an 11-9 MAC team better than a 9-11 Big 12 team?  That would seem to water it down IMO.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

So is an 11-9 MAC team better than a 9-11 Big 12 team?  That would seem to water it down IMO.

It's really not that drastic. You're not getting into 9-11 MAC to fill in for an 8-10 Big 12 team. Last year Maryland(9-11) and Michigan State(9-11) were the only two teams to make the tourney with a conference record below .500. So you would have been replacing them with teams like Colorado State, Memphis or Boise State who were top seeds in the NIT. 

[Uspshoosier]

 

[Uspshoosier]

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketballs-transfer-portal-winners-and-losers-for-2022-02-15-2022/

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It's really not that drastic. You're not getting into 9-11 MAC to fill in for an 8-10 Big 12 team. Last year Maryland(9-11) and Michigan State(9-11) were the only two teams to make the tourney with a conference record below .500. So you would have been replacing them with teams like Colorado State, Memphis or Boise State who were top seeds in the NIT. 

Iowa State's schedule currently has 4 games against teams ranked in the top 10 on Pom, 10 games against teams ranked in the top 25, 15 in the top 50, and 22 in the top 100.  If they go 5-1 from here out, they will finish the season at 21-10 against a schedule that will be in the top 20.  But they wouldn't qualify in your system because of the 8-10 conference record.

However, if they had beaten Kansas State instead of Iowa, they would qualify despite having the same overall record but having beaten an inferior opponent.  Personally, I don't care where the wins come from -- compare the wins to the schedule.  21 wins on Iowa's schedule is pretty damn good.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketballs-transfer-portal-winners-and-losers-for-2022-02-15-2022/

Don't know that I would call Minnesota a transfer portal winner.  Saying that 'people thought they might not win a league game' seems to say people didn't think Ben Johnson brought in good recruits and they went 3-10.  Basically getting credit for his transfers not being as bad as people thought they would be.  I think other than Jamison Battle, the guys he brought in are just a collection of fifth year players who won't be back next year.