College Bball Thread

[mdn82 25,510]

If it is so cheap why haven’t we done it yet? A players lounge and nice locker room are low hanging fruit that should have been picked years ago. The overall point is that for a “basketball school” our facilities do not compare to the top programs. And yes, a successful football program that brings in tens of millions more in revenue could have absolutely paid for better basketball facilities.

We have enough obstacles overcoming our recent history and diminished brand. Inferior facilities should not be an additional hurdle.

Literally I pulled that $4 mill figure from an article from the dedication. Not hard to find at all. If it were a big deal it would have been done already. Literally nobody has complained at our locker room. The first time a recruit did I guarantee it would go up within a year.

 

 

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[mdn82 25,510]

Its 90% for recruiting purposes.

 

 

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Like I said a better dorm would go further. It did for UK and their dorm went in 5 years before this. The reason UK can do it is the women play at a different place than the men. Big difference.

 

 

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[Uspshoosier 46,082]

Nebraska cuts penn st lead to 2. Penn st up 2 with 3:17 to play


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[Uspshoosier 46,082]

Penn st holds on in OT


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[Uspshoosier 46,082]

Interesting broadcast of the Providence/DePaul game. Both coaches have mic and u can here them coach the whole game. Also interactions with refs and in huddles. It’s on FS1


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[BGleas 7,917]

31 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Interesting broadcast of the Providence/DePaul game. Both coaches have mic and u can here them coach the whole game. Also interactions with refs and in huddles. It’s on FS1


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Thanks for the tip. Just turned it on, really interesting to watch. 

[Uspshoosier 46,082]

Thanks for the tip. Just turned it on, really interesting to watch. 

Ed Cooley knows his stuff. Makes me like him more after this. He is a good coach


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[BGleas 7,917]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Ed Cooley knows his stuff. Makes me like him more after this. He is a good coach


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Yeah, he’s good.

I can’t decide if I’d like this for an IU game. Maybe once. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Yeah, he’s good.

I can’t decide if I’d like this for an IU game. Maybe once. 

Didn't they do something a few years back where Greenberg was behind IU's bench and Dakich was behind the other bench?

 

 

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[BGleas 7,917]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Didn't they do something a few years back where Greenberg was behind IU's bench and Dakich was behind the other bench?

 

 

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Good call. Yeah, they had the play-by-play guy in his regular spot and then Dakich and Greenberg were sitting at the scorers table on the last seats next to each bench. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Good call. Yeah, they had the play-by-play guy in his regular spot and then Dakich and Greenberg were sitting at the scorers table on the last seats next to each bench. 

I believe it was for an Illinois game but it's been awhile. I thought it was cool to do for a game but definitely wouldn't want to see that for every game.


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[Uspshoosier 46,082]

I believe it was for an Illinois game but it's been awhile. I thought it was cool to do for a game but definitely wouldn't want to see that for every game.


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It was. Dakich gave Groce a fist bump heading into a time out after a good play


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[MikeRoberts 7,057]

Well, we just finished tens of millions of dollars worth of renovations to keep and improve one of the most historic venues in college basketball, while adding state of the art nutrition and exercise facilities for all student athletes in Memorial Stadium.

Earlier you posted that we didn’t have enough money to replace AH. Can you prove that? Because that sounds like BS to me. In my opinion, this fan base and the boosters have zero interest in tearing down AH.


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I think that is kinda the point some have made. If our sports teams, mainly football, make more money and are wildly profitable without outside donations, the revenue is more valuable because it is controlled and can be done with as the school pleases without outside influence. Under that scenario they have way more power to do as they see


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I think that is kinda the point some have made. If our sports teams, mainly football, make more money and are wildly profitable without outside donations, the revenue is more valuable because it is controlled and can be done with as the school pleases without outside influence. Under that scenario they have way more power to do as they see

 

 

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Hmm maybe. I see what you’re saying. But Indiana AD is bringing in more revenue that a few major basketball powerhouses, specifically Kansas, which started this whole conversation another time when we saw a hype video for their new basketball facilities. Check out this link (sorry, couldn’t find 2016-2017 numbers) http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

Kentucky’s football team isn’t what put them at #13 on that list either.

 

 

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[LIHoosier 26,438]

Looking through scores last night, Archie's old boys scored 66 last night...in the 1st half vs VCU; ended up with 106.

[mdn82 25,510]

I think that is kinda the point some have made. If our sports teams, mainly football, make more money and are wildly profitable without outside donations, the revenue is more valuable because it is controlled and can be done with as the school pleases without outside influence. Under that scenario they have way more power to do as they see


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That’s what should scare you guys though and I don’t think you all understand the revenue cycle of things like that. If you make a $1 in any Corporation you are lucky to get $.05 back for capital planning. So many people get their hands on the money before it would come to the AD. Of that .05 there are about 20 sports programs at IU that get their hands on it. You cannot increase budget for one program without increasing budgets for all. To do that you have to prove the revenue wasn’t a fluke. We are talking less than a couple mill at most due to all of the programs involved. That is why donations are so important.

If our AD operated on a $50 mill budget. Then collectively we bring in $150 if our football team is great. That means we have $100 mill after the $50 is paid. The $100 mill goes through the University first as that is what the athletic revenue is for. More times than not the athletic office pulls in 1/20 of the leftover (not a number pulled out of thin air). That is $5 million. Where do you think bonuses come from? Donations specific to program are then also added. That is why donations are so critical. Trust me when I say additional revenue from football does nothing to the AD other than helps AD and FBHC a bonus and maybe adds a handful of million to be split amongst the budgets for the upcoming seasons if it was a really good year. Revenue and budgeting is not as simplistic as you guys are making it out to be at all lol.


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[MikeRoberts 7,057]

That’s what should scare you guys though and I don’t think you all understand the revenue cycle of things like that. If you make a $1 in any Corporation you are lucky to get $.05 back for capital planning. So many people get their hands on the money before it would come to the AD. Of that .05 there are about 20 sports programs at IU that get their hands on it. You cannot increase budget for one program without increasing budgets for all. To do that you have to prove the revenue wasn’t a fluke. We are talking less than a couple mill at most due to all of the programs involved. That is why donations are so important.

If our AD operated on a $50 mill budget. Then collectively we bring in $150 if our football team is great. That means we have $100 mill after the $50 is paid. The $100 mill goes through the University first as that is what the athletic revenue is for. More times than not the athletic office pulls in 1/20 of the leftover (not a number pulled out of thin air). That is $5 million. Where do you think bonuses come from? Donations specific to program are then also added. That is why donations are so critical. Trust me when I say additional revenue from football does nothing to the AD other than helps AD and FBHC a bonus and maybe adds a handful of million to be split amongst the budgets for the upcoming seasons if it was a really good year. Revenue and budgeting is not as simplistic as you guys are making it out to be at all lol.


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I guess I see both sides of the argument is all. I think what you are saying is probably pretty accurate but there are a lot of other things to think about as well is all. The donations that are coming in to the athletic department today are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years delayed in a sense.

The big donors are older and were at IU when we were a powerhouse in the 70s and 80s and that is the IU they know and fell in love with and 30 years later are sending checks to support it. With basketball and football both being down the last 20 years, that is several decades worth of folks filtering through IU that are not as in love or fanatical with IU sports and we will see the impact of that down the road if we don't turn the corner quickly with basketball first and football second.

While I think we can improve the product on the field and court without massive investment in facilities, those things do matter and we need to keep up with the arms race in every sense




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[Brass Cannon 24,874]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I guess I see both sides of the argument is all. I think what you are saying is probably pretty accurate but there are a lot of other things to think about as well is all. The donations that are coming in to the athletic department today are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years delayed in a sense.

The big donors are older and were at IU when we were a powerhouse in the 70s and 80s and that is the IU they know and fell in love with and 30 years later are sending checks to support it. With basketball and football both being down the last 20 years, that is several decades worth of folks filtering through IU that are not as in love or fanatical with IU sports and we will see the impact of that down the road if we don't turn the corner quickly with basketball first and football second.

While I think we can improve the product on the field and court without massive investment in facilities, those things do matter and we need to keep up with the arms race in every sense




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I dont think any ody is disagreeing with the need to compete with facilities. 

Just that that raising football revenue is going to somehow help pay for these

[MikeRoberts 7,057]

I dont think any ody is disagreeing with the need to compete with facilities. 
Just that that raising football revenue is going to somehow help pay for these

My argument might be a little different than those who initiated the opposed viewpoint but as I mentioned above, if our football program was good, don't you think that would make for more passion and excitement for IU athletics which will also help with donations now and the decades to come?

The donations that are coming in are in a lot of ways coming in from work that precious administrations laid. It's a very delayed process. Future administrations are going to have to deal with the mess that has taken place over the last 20 years more than the current regime. The current regime is reaping the rewards from others work. Having a shitty football and basketball program for 20 years is going to come back to haunt the school later


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[MikeRoberts 7,057]

My argument might be a little different than those who initiated the opposed viewpoint but as I mentioned above, if our football program was good, don't you think that would make for more passion and excitement for IU athletics which will also help with donations now and the decades to come?

The donations that are coming in are in a lot of ways coming in from work that precious administrations laid. It's a very delayed process. Future administrations are going to have to deal with the mess that has taken place over the last 20 years more than the current regime. The current regime is reaping the rewards from others work. Having a shitty football and basketball program for 20 years is going to come back to haunt the school later

It's all connected is all


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