Does anyone have any practice tape or cook hall...

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another variable in that game was that Lavalle had no one over 6'7 on the roster. That won't be true 98% of this season.

Just another reason to spread the floor and utilize what strengths we do have. Of course other teams won't want us to do this so we would have to incorporate a lot of pressing and trapping to speed things up. Crean has to win this year. No more wait until this recruit gets here etc...

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You mean the same Canada trip that Hanner couldn't attend, April was in a boot for, and was held prior to Holt signing with IU? If that was the situation for the upcoming season, I'd agree that Troy would be playing the 5. But it's not. So yes, I still argue its a worst case scenario and pretty far fetched. It took a visa issue, injury, and a late signing for us to see Troy play the 5. If the team literally had DD, Priller and Troy as the only 6'7" ish guys like it did in Canada, obviously Crean is going to play Troy at the 5. Luckily, we have three players who are better suited for that role than he is.

I already listed your excuse re Hanner, but I forgot about Holt. Did you see my what if Hanner and Devin get in foul trouble which both did last year? Obviously , my idea is not so far fetched as you and another seem to think as Crean has already used Troy at 5. Certainly, basketball IQ has to take over at some point lol. Crean realizes how important this year is for his program, and playing his best 5 is a big part of that. Esp with foul considerations and being short manned at the post.

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Talks about Perea being a much improved through the first few days of practice.


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I already listed your excuse re Hanner, but I forgot about Holt. Did you see my what if Hanner and Devin get in foul trouble which both did last year? Obviously , my idea is not so far fetched as you and another seem to think as Crean has already used Troy at 5. Certainly, basketball IQ has to take over at some point lol. Crean realizes how important this year is for his program, and playing his best 5 is a big part of that. Esp with foul considerations and being short manned at the post.

I understand Crean used him in Canada, but you're ignoring the fact that if we have a depth chart for the 5 spot it goes:

1) HMP

2) Devin Davis

3) Holt

4) Troy

 

In Canada, Troy was second man up. My original question to you was why would we want Troy to play the five? It's difficult to imagine his skill sets providing adequate defense and post presence if we ran a 4 guard lineup with him at the 5. Maybe against a very small non-conference opponent, but not in the B1G. I agree that if somehow all three of our 5's got into foul trouble, which is a valid concern, Troy would be forced to play the 5.

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2 inches and +~(2-4) inches on a vertical makes a big difference.

I just know what I saw last year with Hanner compared to DD on defense at the 5. DD was at his best at the 4 and was exposed defensively at the 5.

And that being said, I hope/expect DD's experience and bulk to have him better prepared even if we need to use him out of position......

DD did better than expected last season for being a 3star FRESHman playing mostly out position. I have really high hopes for DD, just wish we had the "luxury" to play him more at the 4.


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I agree. But if you really think about it other than Purdue and Wisconsin, who really has a dominant big man that we will have to worry about? A lot of big ten teams are "struggling with height. I don't necessarily think its a struggle like others do around here, I simply think the college game is changing for the most part. But look at a team like Michigan, they have more front court problems than we do going into this year. 
Hanner may have an inch or so on Holt, but Holt also has a 7'3" wingspan. Thats pretty darn impressive for someone that is 6'7"/6'8". Of course there will be some defensive struggles down low, but Vonleh had his fair share of those last year as well. I think we will do just fine rebounding wise with Hanner, DD, and Holt

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WE WANT THON!


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THON, THON, THON!!!!!

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I agree. But if you really think about it other than Purdue and Wisconsin, who really has a dominant big man that we will have to worry about? 

 

Starting bigs in the B1G who play way bigger than our bigs (except for maybe the new and improved Hanner):

 

1) Kaminsky

2) Hammons

3) Woodbury

4) Alex Olah

5) Amir Williams (though he kinda sucks)

6) Olaseni

7) Egwu

8) Eliason

9) Mo Walker

10) Nigel Hayes

 

Minny, Iowa, PU and Wisky all should give us fits on the interior.

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Starting bigs in the B1G who play way bigger than our bigs (except for maybe the new and improved Hanner):

1) Kaminsky
2) Hammons
3) Woodbury
4) Alex Olah
5) Amir Williams (though he kinda sucks)
6) Olaseni
7) Egwu
8) Eliason
9) Mo Walker
10) Nigel Hayes

Minny, Iowa, PU and Wisky all should give us fits on the interior.

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Him too.

[Kepner 1,261]

Starting bigs in the B1G who play way bigger than our bigs (except for maybe the new and improved Hanner):

 

1) Kaminsky

2) Hammons

3) Woodbury

4) Alex Olah

5) Amir Williams (though he kinda sucks)

6) Olaseni

7) Egwu

8) Eliason

9) Mo Walker

10) Nigel Hayes

 

Minny, Iowa, PU and Wisky all should give us fits on the interior.

I appreciate the list, I guess I had forgotten about a lot of guys. There are a few guys who will give us lots of problems on here, and a few others that Im not worried about. I think with our guards we match up well still with the majority of Big Ten teams. From all reports so far on Hanner, I feel pretty confident for this year

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I appreciate the list, I guess I had forgotten about a lot of guys. There are a few guys who will give us lots of problems on here, and a few others that Im not worried about. I think with our guards we match up well still with the majority of Big Ten teams. From all reports so far on Hanner, I feel pretty confident for this year

 

It is worth noting that the list, including Anthony Lee, consists of a total of 11 players, but that those 11 players are only playing on seven different teams. 

 

That means that there are six teams other than IU that does NOT have a big who can push us around (Penn St, Maryland, UM, MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska).

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It is worth noting that the list, including Anthony Lee, consists of a total of 11 players, but that those 11 players are only playing on seven different teams.

That means that there are six teams other than IU that does NOT have a big who can push us around (Penn St, Maryland, UM, MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska).

Anyone wanna tie this in to an analysis of which games on the schedule will gives us the most issues in the front court?


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I still think Holt surprises with some solid minutes too!  Indy Star has an article up about how surprised the staff has been with how polished Holt is in the early practices.  Crean can recruit.

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

Remember last year when Coach put Etherington on Kamisky? Talk about a mismatch.


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I still think Holt surprises with some solid minutes too! Indy Star has an article up about how surprised the staff has been with how polished Holt is in the early practices. Crean can recruit.

This doesn't really relate to his skill, but I saw Holt when I was taking a campus tour today and I thought he was a football player from afar. He seems built pretty solid but I do wish he was taller.


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It is worth noting that the list, including Anthony Lee, consists of a total of 11 players, but that those 11 players are only playing on seven different teams. 

 

That means that there are six teams other than IU that does NOT have a big who can push us around (Penn St, Maryland, UM, MSU, Rutgers, Nebraska).

True, but also if you look at a team like Purdue, Hammonds is all they have, let him have his points and we'll just beat them with our guards. Same can be said of Northwestern. Egwu was a non factor in both games we played against them last year, so I think Hanner can match up well with him. I think Ohio St's bigs have a lot to prove still. I think if our guards are really in the flow once the big ten season starts (which I think they will be) and Hanner gives us something down low (which I also think he will). I think we do fairly well. The only team that honestly scares me is Wisconsin. We beat them last year but they are always a solid club under Bo. Other than that, I think we can hang with just about any other team.

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Remember last year when Coach put Etherington on Kamisky? Talk about a mismatch.


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Kaminsky only had 11 points that game, and missed the game winner with Etherington on him..we definitely dodged a bullet with that mismatch haha

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What Indiana did in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with what will happen this year. Obviously, you have to put 5 out there. But you don't have to put a "5."

 

If a worst case scenario were to occur, and we all know schoosier loves some worst case scenario planning (vbg), then Troy might be that fifth guy.

 

IU is clearly at a disadvantage in terms of post depth; but for all the talk about how we are going to guard other people, do we forget they have to guard us too? If someone wants to try and make their post guy beat us, I say go for it. Not many guys, if any, that are good enough to do that. Zone possessions are clearly going to be a part of this team's identity.

 

It's kind of amazing that there are people who think Tom Crean doesn't know what to do with his own roster.

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What Indiana did in Canada has absolutely nothing to do with what will happen this year. Obviously, you have to put 5 out there. But you don't have to put a "5."
 
If a worst case scenario were to occur, and we all know schoosier loves some worst case scenario planning (vbg), then Troy might be that fifth guy.
 
IU is clearly at a disadvantage in terms of post depth; but for all the talk about how we are going to guard other people, do we forget they have to guard us too? If someone wants to try and make their post guy beat us, I say go for it. Not many guys, if any, that are good enough to do that. Zone possessions are clearly going to be a part of this team's identity.
 
It's kind of amazing that there are people who think Tom Crean doesn't know what to do with his own roster.

Failure to plan is planning to fail. If you don't think Hanner and Devin will get in foul trouble this year...Good coaches plan every scenario but most don't write them on 3 x 5 cards. They use those for booster speeches.

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Failure to plan is planning to fail. If you don't think Hanner and Devin will get in foul trouble this year...Good coaches plan every scenario but most don't write them on 3 x 5 cards. They use those for booster speeches.

 

Cheer up, friend!