honestly now

[BlueDevil 8,655]

[quote name="8bucks" post="39834" timestamp="1392523800"]this is a good reference and I wonder if it would be enough. Let's say that happens and we jump like that again. Following a similar assumption we top out 4th or so in the BT and get to the sweet sixteen like that team. Though we could compete with anyone we are ranked around #15. A big jump from this year. For this to happen I think Noah has to stay. So after the sweet sixteen year Noah goes pro. Was that our peak? Do we fall back to marginal? Do we fall like this year? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote] I don't think you can really say until the 2015 and 2016 classes start to take form

[8bucks 6,345]

I agree so without Noah, the likelihood we jump up to a mid contender level next year is low. With no known promise beyond 2014 Crean really needs Noah to stay and he needs to hope the alumni can be cooled for one year. <br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[mdn82 25,510]

this is a good reference and I wonder if it would be enough. Let's say that happens and we jump like that again. Following a similar assumption we top out 4th or so in the BT and get to the sweet sixteen like that team. Though we could compete with anyone we are ranked around #15. A big jump from this year. For this to happen I think Noah has to stay. So after the sweet sixteen year Noah goes pro. Was that our peak? Do we fall back to marginal? Do we fall like this year?<br /><br /><br />Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

IMO, if we do that, then fall back to this that should say something.  Next year, I feel Crean needs to be ATLEAST there.  This year is not acceptable for IU.  Even for the most supportive fans.  That doesn't mean you make a change every time you have a bad year.  But, if it happens semi-regularly it isn't an oddity.  

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

If Noah leaves, that will hurt. However, we will have one of the best back courts in the country. I really think Troy will be one of the most improved players in the Big10. The talent is there, just needs a summer of polishing to become more of a basketball players.

No matter what, GO HOOSIERS!!!

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[OliviaPope40 6,426]

As the cliche goes the proof is in the pudding our resume is not tourney worthy.

[ou812dude 3,326]

I think this program is in dangerous territory...

success can be contagious, and we see programs that feed off of a previous teams run...

and unfortunately, I believe this to be true on the other end of the spectrum as well...

 

a slide into mediocrity can affect the future of the program as well...IMHO 

[ejc6886 3]

If Noah leaves, that will hurt. However, we will have one of the best back courts in the country. I really think Troy will be one of the most improved players in the Big10. The talent is there, just needs a summer of polishing to become more of a basketball players.

No matter what, GO HOOSIERS!!!

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[ejc6886 3]

If Noah leaves, that will hurt. However, we will have one of the best back courts in the country. I really think Troy will be one of the most improved players in the Big10. The talent is there, just needs a summer of polishing to become more of a basketball players.

No matter what, GO HOOSIERS!!!

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I agree about Troy, I really think he has the potential to be another Calbert Cheaney! He has the athletic ability, just needs to sharpen his skills.

[djsalway 4,161]

We score 73.8 PPG.

Noah averages 11.5 PPG.

Yogi averages 17.5 PPG.

 

So to answer your question, Yogi and Noah score 39% of the points.

So yes, the rest of the team does average more than 10% of our points and to be exact, they score 61% of our points.

 

They aren't awful. They just don't score when we need them to.

[FortWayneHoosier 5,900]

I didn't read all the responses cuz I'm lazy, but Vonleh is gone plain and simple unless this injury becomes worse. Now we are stuck with no big man unless crean gets one. James Blackmon is amazing from the perimeter but im saying this one last time he is not the end all be all, he's just a shooter if you really think just having a shooter helps you have no idea about basketball. Sorry I'm tired of hearing about it. We have two mcdonalds all American kids and look at us now.


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[ou812dude 3,326]

We score 73.8 PPG.

Noah averages 11.5 PPG.

Yogi averages 17.5 PPG.

 

So to answer your question, Yogi and Noah score 39% of the points.

So yes, the rest of the team does average more than 10% of our points and to be exact, they score 61% of our points.

 

They aren't awful. They just don't score when we need them to.

nice statistical pull....but man, I can't remember the last time IU has scored 70 points...

must have been that cupcake schedule early on that has pulled our average above 70...

[ou812dude 3,326]

Ok, I had to look it up...last game that IU put up 70+ was against Wisconsin on 1/14....

that was 9 games ago, and in the previous game against Penn State (on 1/11), they put up damn near 80!!

[Samiam87 0]

We have 3 sharpshooters coming in next year. Call me a cubs fan, wait till next year! ;)

Cub fan! Go Cards

[bronkonagurski 894]

I didn't read all the responses cuz I'm lazy, but Vonleh is gone plain and simple unless this injury becomes worse. Now we are stuck with no big man unless crean gets one. James Blackmon is amazing from the perimeter but im saying this one last time he is not the end all be all, he's just a shooter if you really think just having a shooter helps you have no idea about basketball. Sorry I'm tired of hearing about it. We have two mcdonalds all American kids and look at us now.


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As a fan, the safe assumption is that he will go pro and then be pleasantly surprised if he stays.  Every case is different.  Maybe Noah has his reasons that would lead him to stay another year.  Nobody expected Marcus Smart to play another year.  Would Cody have returned for another year if he had not had a relationship with the class of 2012?  Who knows. 

 

Having shooters will help.  I'd agree putting it all on JB2 isn't fair.  But overall anytime you have outside shooting threats it helps spread the floor and keep the defense honest.  Plus our returning players can certainly become better shooters.  Look at Vic.  He could not hit the broad side of a barn as a freshman and by the time he was a junior, he was hitting 45% or so from downtown.  Imagine Stanford and Troy becoming viable 3 point threats, just as an example.  That is why I believe next season's fate rests just as much on the work the returning players put in.  

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Cub fan! Go Cards

 

 

I'm a diehard Cards fan. That was taking a poke at the cubs.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I'm a diehard Cards fan. That was taking a poke at the cubs.

Where is the unlike button when I need it! :devil:

[Parakeet Jones 3,740]

If we do get it turned around next year all those "We're Back" t-shirts will be back in style.  

[hoosha61 386]

[quote name="ejc6886" post="39883" timestamp="1392526405"]I agree about Troy, I really think he has the potential to be another Calbert Cheaney! He has the athletic ability, just needs to sharpen his skills.[/quote] I just don't see it. Troy is light years away, especially offensively. Cal was National player the year. I hope Troy continues to develop his game, I know he will improve, but CC like, no way.


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[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I just don't see it. Troy is light years away, especially offensively. Cal was National player the year. I hope Troy continues to develop his game, I know he will improve, but CC like, no way.


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I see a lot of similarities between Troy and Oladipo in their freshmen years. Oladipo played on a team that had lesser talent to compete with. Oladipo as a freshman had very little in outside shooting, and while he had great moves to the basket, did not finish well. Troy has a lot of work to do to fill those shoes, but the potential is there. As far as Cheaney, he was not required to manufacture his own offense in RMK's system like Troy or Oladipo are in Crean's. Kind of makes it a apples and oranges comparison.

[Samiam87 0]

I see a lot of similarities between Troy and Oladipo in their freshmen years. Oladipo played on a team that had lesser talent to compete with. Oladipo as a freshman had very little in outside shooting, and while he had great moves to the basket, did not finish well. Troy has a lot of work to do to fill those shoes, but the potential is there. As far as Cheaney, he was not required to manufacture his own offense in RMK's system like Troy or Oladipo are in Crean's. Kind of makes it a apples and oranges comparison.

Why are we comparing Troy to Oladipo? Stanford Robinson is more like Oladipo, he's an explosive slasher! We can have a great team next year as long as everyone on the bench is great.  Because who ever is not, CTC will still put them in games at the worst times!