How much longer until Crean is on the hot seat?

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="36777" timestamp="1392007233"]If Vonleh leaves, we won't be "really really good". We'll have no post player aside from Hanner. Even with Vonleh we may not be "really really good" because we'll have no depth behind him, aside from Hanner.[/quote]

Trust me, I know. It could be really really good. Not likely, but it could. I guess you could say that about a lot of teams though.


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[NOLA Hoosier 1,267]

Crean is a good coach, period. He's done more for this program than the past two coaches could.

 

The Mike Davis comparisons are baffling.

[djsalway 4,161]

I think this is a list of coaches who would listen if IU called:

 

Gregg Marshall

Jim Crews

Paul Rhoads

Tony Bennett

Mark Few

Shaka Smart

Steve Alford

Tommy Amaker

Chris Collins

Doug McDermott

Michael White

 

I'm not saying Crean should go, be on the hot seat, etc. just thought it would be interesting to compile a list.

 

You realize Doug McDermott would be an awful hire. He's a senior for Creighton. So maybe Greg McDermott. But I surely don't want a 23 year old coaching our team.

[Hovadipo 56,513]

[quote name="djsalway" post="36801" timestamp="1392049315"]You realize Doug McDermott would be an awful hire. He's a senior for Creighton. So maybe Greg McDermott. But I surely don't want a 23 year old coaching our team.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind having Doug play for us.


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[KB0 827]

You realize Doug McDermott would be an awful hire. He's a senior for Creighton. So maybe Greg McDermott. But I surely don't want a 23 year old coaching our team.

 

My apologies. I was watching the Creighton/St. John's game at the time I was compiling the list.

[mdn82 25,510]

You get the feeling it would take a lot to put Crean on the hot seat.  We just went to back to back Sweet 16s for the first time in a very long time.  We just won an outright conference title.  I don't think many are appalled by this team.  It is reasonably in line with expectations.  If we are terrible next year, I am sure there would be more chatter, but we are a long way away from that moment. 

[NOLA Hoosier 1,267]

It is reasonably in line with expectations.  If we are terrible next year, I am sure there would be more chatter, but we are a long way away from that moment. 

 

I said we'd be a 21-9 at the beginning of the season, I'm expecting a little worse at this point, but so far (aside from the NW and MINN losses) we're pretty much at the level I was thinking.

[JSHoosier 20,316]

Crean is a good coach, period. He's done more for this program than the past two coaches could.

 

The Mike Davis comparisons are baffling.

It comes from his resume being eerily similar.  

 

They've been coaching for 15 and 13 years respectively, enough of a sample size to judge them on.  They've both been to one Final Four, so one good run is the exception for both coaches.  They've both only won 2 conference championships.  Their winning percentages are nearly identical.  The products on the court aren't much different, awful half court offenses.

 

At the end of the day Crean has shown he can turn a program around, that's about the only difference between them.  However, Marquette was still mediocre even with Crean has coach so while he did improve them it wasn't a great deal.

[yogisballin 2,374]

I don't mean we get rid of him, but he should be on the hot seat if they don't make the tournament two years in a row. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Maybe my expectations are unrealistic.


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im with u on this

[JSHoosier 20,316]

im with u on this

Yep.  I don't call it unrealistic expectations.  I call that reasonable expectations at a place like IU.

 

Oh, Crean said we need to find ways to get Noah more 3s.  Ladies and gentleman, our coach thinks the power forward he has playing center needs to get more 3s.  How about work on getting him the ball in the post more than five times a game first, since he's playing the center spot.

[bronkonagurski 894]

Anyone is certainly welcome to question Crean's ability to win a national championship or not but if that is your main criteria for replacing him and then you present a list of guys who also have not won a national championship...okay?  So if you hire a Marshall or even Stevens and they don't hang a banner soon enough then...?  It is one thing if you tell me we can replace Crean and hire Coach K or whatever but in reality that isn't going to be the case.  Whoever replaces him likely has never won it all either.  And I'm not saying that is a blanket excuse for continued mediocrity.  If we miss the tourney two years in a row and assorted other negative scenarios play out then I understand the need for change. 

 

Mainly I'm just responding to that rather uninspiring list posted earlier in the thread...something about that "grass is always greener" cliche still rings true to me.  And I'm far from being a Crean homer.  I see flaws too. 

[bronkonagurski 894]

Yep.  I don't call it unrealistic expectations.  I call that reasonable expectations at a place like IU.

 

Oh, Crean said we need to find ways to get Noah more 3s.  Ladies and gentleman, our coach thinks the power forward he has playing center needs to get more 3s.  How about work on getting him the ball in the post more than five times a game first, since he's playing the center spot.

 

To be honest, he has the most natural and fluid looking 3 point shot of anyone on the team right now.  Get him the ball period, let him create and score. 

[bronkonagurski 894]

Plus teams pretty much are packing the post and the paint right now.  It isn't like you are going to find easy lanes to feed Noah in the post right now. 

[JSHoosier 20,316]

To be honest, he has the most natural and fluid looking 3 point shot of anyone on the team right now.  Get him the ball period, let him create and score. 

"Let him create".  That is something I utterly despise about Crean's so called "offense".  It's entirely dependent on a player creating his own shot.  I'm sick of it.  Instead of pulling the big man away from the basket for more one on one street ball, run a play to get someone like Etherington, who was supposed to be able to shoot, open.  If he misses, our best rebounder is where he should be.

[JSHoosier 20,316]

Plus teams pretty much are packing the post and the paint right now.  It isn't like you are going to find easy lanes to feed Noah in the post right now. 

That's not just a problem with this year's team.  We had Hulls and Watford on the perimeter last year and didn't get Zeller the ball in the post enough.

[BlueDevil 8,693]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="36955" timestamp="1392088229"]"Let him create". That is something I utterly despise about Crean's so called "offense". It's entirely dependent on a player creating his own shot. I'm sick of it. Instead of pulling the big man away from the basket for more one on one street ball, run a play to get someone like Etherington, who was supposed to be able to shoot, open. If he misses, our best rebounder is where he should be.[/quote]

It may just be me but I think I've verb noticing etheringtons minutes diminish again?

[bronkonagurski 894]

"Let him create".  That is something I utterly despise about Crean's so called "offense".  It's entirely dependent on a player creating his own shot.  I'm sick of it.  Instead of pulling the big man away from the basket for more one on one street ball, run a play to get someone like Etherington, who was supposed to be able to shoot, open.  If he misses, our best rebounder is where he should be.

 

If Tom Crean came out tomorrow and said his plan to get Noah more touches was to have him sit his ass in the paint and wait for our missed shots, you would find that to be an acceptable strategy and statement?  Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. 

[bronkonagurski 894]

That's not just a problem with this year's team.  We had Hulls and Watford on the perimeter last year and didn't get Zeller the ball in the post enough.

 

Then why was it a problem since Cody was presumably in position to rebound their misses?  lol

[JSHoosier 20,316]

If Tom Crean came out tomorrow and said his plan to get Noah more touches was to have him sit his ass in the paint and wait for our missed shots, you would find that to be an acceptable strategy and statement?  Just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. 

That seems to be the strategy now.  I think getting a talented big man post touches without him having to bust his butt for offensive rebounds should be a bigger part of the offense.

 

The big man can be there if they miss, but that shouldn't be the only way they get post touches aside from the allotted 5 a game.