IU vs MSU Post Game.........

[JaybobHoosier 11,885]

Post your thoughts here!

[Buck Naked 451]

More Stan, less Jeremy.

Until this team does the little things ( FT, less TO's) it's gonna be rough.

I do like this team. Have some fighters.


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[JSHoosier 20,384]

1)  Defense sucked

2)  Didn't box out

3)  Half court offense did what our half court offense does, stand around and hope to watch someone make a play one on one.  We could have one player on the court and no one would notice.  Exactly the same as years past.

4)  We forgot we have a post player after about 5 minutes, in other words our offense is exactly the same as years past.

5)  Another game Jeremy didn't do much, losing more and more faith in him as the season goes on

6)  Troy didn't do much either

 

Bright side:

1)  Stan played well for a little while

2)  Will made some shots

3)  WE DIDN'T HAVE 20 TURNOVERS!

[jdailey1981 155]

Put #33 on the bench! Start Stan! Just saying....

[Woodsonshump 305]

We suck.  Seriously.

 

Don't get me wrong.  Been a big supporter of Tom Crean, and still am for that matter.  This team is an enigma.  I don't get them.  Best team I've ever seen that can't play a lick of basketball.  Yeah, coaching factors into that, coach has to shoulder some blame.  However, we've got talent that acts like it has never bounced a basketball before.

 

Coach, own your mistakes.  Come out, admit what you're doing isn't working and tell us how you intend to fix that.  Bench the players that aren't cutting it, I don't care who they are.  Stop playing cupcake teams to pad the record and start playing some tough teams.  That's just a start.

 

Players, act like you give a flying rip.  If you don't, then leave.  Show us you can protect a basketball.  Yogi, stop playing daredevil with the ball and play under control.  You're too wild and that makes you useless to us at this point, because even if you score 30, your out of control actions costs us in the end.  Sheehey, act like you've got a set consistently, not just whenever the urge hits you.  You're largely out to lunch your senior season.  Play consistently, every game, and every play of every game.

 

That's all I'm saying at this point.  I'm outta here.

[KingPG21 6,587]

The offense does so many little things that just don't make sense. Whether it is having two guys on the same side of the court when we throw the ball into the low post, that is just an extra defender over there to help out and makes rotations on a kick out from the low post player easier. Then when a guy breaks down the defense I've noticed we have guys who will occasionally cut to the basket, they should be flashing to the perimeter, again they bring an extra defender with them. Spacing in general with this team has been a pretty big issue on offense. It makes a bit of sense when you consider the lack of shooters, but still it is ugly basketball 

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I gave up at halftime.

[Frodaddy10 83]

It doesn't matter who is on court if the offense remains stagnant. Part of the reason our guys look worse than they are (JH, HMP, TW) with respect to taking care of the ball is that the defense is always in such good position because we don't stress them with off the ball motion and screens. Hard to play one on one against good fenders and other defenders in good help position.


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[ajcrosby 2]

Part of losing so much last year is that as fans we had the luxury of watching what Michigan State has right now. They have a veteran team who has been through it all. IU does not. It's going to be like this all year. Every time we made a run, they answered. We do what young teams do, play ugly. We may as well get used to it. Want to see how they respond and get better


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[Rookie33 932]

We played hard. MSU is a much better and more experienced team. Troy has no offensive game - he needs to lock himself in Cook Hall this summer. Stan will be starting come Penn State. What's Gordon's problem; suddenly he's shy about shooting? Will needs to bring it for 40 minutes not 20. Hanner has to be the most overrated recruit in the history of recruiting - did a Baylor assistant coach really lose his job over Hanner Parea??!!!? I liked our effort for most of the game. We are young. I think we'll improve a lot over the course of the year and that we'll be a top 15 team next year if NV returns. This game didn't make me as ill as I thought it would.


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[JSHoosier 20,384]

Part of losing so much last year is that as fans we had the luxury of watching what Michigan State has right now. They have a veteran team who has been through it all. IU does not. It's going to be like this all year. Every time we made a run, they answered. We do what young teams do, play ugly. We may as well get used to it. Want to see how they respond and get better


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Yes, they're young, but we are at the point of the season where we should at least be seeing signs of improvement.  The problem is, that is just not happening.  There are also basic fundamental things even young players should know that we flat out do not do.

 

We are very young!  We ALL know this.  Lots to learn.  We will be national title contenders next year!!!  put that in the bank!

See above.

 

We played hard. MSU is a much better and more experienced team. Troy has no offensive game - he needs to lock himself in Cook Hall this summer. Stan will be starting come Penn State. What's Gordon's problem; suddenly he's shy about shooting? Will needs to bring it for 40 minutes not 20. Hanner has to be the most overrated recruit in the history of recruiting - did a Baylor assistant coach really lose his job over Hanner Parea??!!!? I liked our effort for most of the game. We are young. I think we'll improve a lot over the course of the year and that we'll be a top 15 team next year if NV returns. This game didn't make me as ill as I thought it would.


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Stan won't start against Penn State, don't even fool yourself.  Crean won't change his starting lineup, we've seen for over 5 years he has his lineup and won't change it.  As for Hanner, he didn't grow up playing the game and he's trying to learn a position that has a bigger learning curve, that's just him being extremely raw coming in and his ranking was based on his sky high potential.  As I said above, we should be seeing signs of improvement now but we're not.

[JaybobHoosier 11,885]

This game stinks because of all the mistakes and mental errors in this game. However, I am loving the effort the guys are bringing. Effort and Stan were very big positives today. Unfortunately, not much else. Sheehey finally showed up as a Senior, and that is huge. We have to get some consistency out of him.

Two biggest gripes for me:

- today really showed how stagnant IU's offense is. It was really, really bad. Izzo had a great game plan to switch everything. IU is very limited with back-cuts and off the ball screens. The packed the lane and switched. It made it extremely tough for IU to score. IU has to get more involvement in the offense that the ball moving without a purpose.

- secondly, not getting the ball to NV more down low. Payne was a non-factor in the 1st, and credit that to Vonleh. No excuse not to give him the ball more. However, that will be the case because it happened to Cody. Vonleh is more of a bruiser, and we have to use that.

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[HoosierReb01 7,511]

We are very young!  We ALL know this.  Lots to learn.  We will be national title contenders next year!!!  put that in the bank!

WOW! The quality of the ganja in that area of the country must have improved since I lived there!  :P

[hoosierpap 14,300]

The offense is most concerning to me... 

 

More often than not, it is one guy with the ball and the other four standing and staring at the ball handler. The ball finds movement and when you do not move, you're left with what we see most times we are in a half court set; a 1on1 drive as the shot clock winds close to 10 secs resulting in a turnover, charge, an occasional bucket or 2 shots for us. We draw a lot of fouls because of this type of offense, but give up just as many points on those turnovers. We get some buckets doing this, but it is not at a high enough percentage to win a game against a quality opponent. Call it attacking the basket, or whatever you want to dress it up as but we do not have the personnel, spacing, or experience to do this on a consistent basis and expect positive results. These guys are young, I get that, but they know how to move on offense to one extent or the other, they just aren't.

 

I think that boils down to Crean. An offense with limited movement, screening, and spacing is a recipe for disaster. Those are absolute fundamentals, and what we're seeing is an offense that lacks all three. I get that Crean's system is not based on working the ball inside out, but the ball hardly enters the post by way of a pass. 

Noah had 4 shots today and got to the line once.

 

Michigan State played a great game and has a much better team than us this year, no doubt, but I think it's a bit scary going forward from here. I've always supported Crean ( as some know I follow recruiting pretty closely and he has done pretty well in that department) and will continue to, but serious adjustments need to be made to the offense, imo. 

[JSHoosier 20,384]

The offense is most concerning to me... 

 

More often than not, it is one guy with the ball and the other four standing and staring at the ball handler. The ball finds movement and when you do not move, you're left with what we see most times we are in a half court set; a 1on1 drive as the shot clock winds close to 10 secs resulting in a turnover, charge, an occasional bucket or 2 shots for us. We draw a lot of fouls because of this type of offense, but give up just as many points on those turnovers. We get some buckets doing this, but it is not at a high enough percentage to win a game against a quality opponent. Call it attacking the basket, or whatever you want to dress it up as but we do not have the personnel, spacing, or experience to do this on a consistent basis and expect positive results. These guys are young, I get that, but they know how to move on offense to one extent or the other, they just aren't.

 

I think that boils down to Crean. An offense with limited movement, screening, and spacing is a recipe for disaster. Those are absolute fundamentals, and what we're seeing is an offense that lacks all three. I get that Crean's system is not based on working the ball inside out, but the ball hardly enters the post by way of a pass. 

Noah had 4 shots today and got to the line once.

 

Michigan State played a great game and has a much better team than us this year, no doubt, but I think it's a bit scary going forward from here. I've always supported Crean ( as some know I follow recruiting pretty closely and he has done pretty well in that department) and will continue to, but serious adjustments need to be made to the offense, imo. 

Our offense was the exact same way last year and the year before, so I hope you're not getting concerned just now.

 

We don't work to get a shooter open, in the half court open outside looks only come from a total breakdown or the D collapsing on someone going one on one.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Weed!  Did you say Weed??  U got some?  :)

I live in Salem. I'm pretty sure I could get it any time I wanted it. In this town there's plenty of weed. And since weed gets you laid around here, I don't anticipate any laws changing that.

[JSHoosier 20,384]

I was watching We Are Marshall and the coach talked about being a fan of the Power I, he also said it's not working so it's going in trash.  I'd love to see that happen here.  Zone not working?  In the trash.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Our offense was the exact same way last year and the year before, so I hope you're not getting concerned just now.

 

We don't work to get a shooter open, in the half court open outside looks only come from a total breakdown or the D collapsing on someone going one on one.

Agreed, but in the past we have had weapons on the perimeter who were spaced properly. Without them, we literally have players putting their heads down and driving to the rim leading to one of the options listed above. 

[FortWayneHoosier 6,228]

Pretty much what i mentioned in other threads, we need to utilize vonleh more, feed the post, get some dribble penetration. Im sick of flying down the court just to stop and pass the ball around the perimeter and hope someone has an open look. Troy was starting to be my favorite player in the beginning, now he just gets the ball and flys down the lane or in between three opponents. I like that yogi is starting to make threes, but he needs to get more organized and lead. Stan showed some great effort, but got that technical and kinda ruined it. I havent watched the post game pressers but im sure it involves coach getting up there and making a politician like speech, and making excuses because we are young. we have a long road ahead of us. oh also never put perea in again

[Hovadipo 56,680]

Hard to pull many positives besides Stan today, but there was a subtle thing that I saw. Sheehey hit a couple threes today that could have sparked significant runs (luckily, they were "shot" down by a Gary Harris 3 both times I'm pretty sure). Anyways, the times after his shots went down, Will was begging for the ball on the next couple of possessions. I feel like there will be a point this season, hopefully soon, that Will decides to do something to get these young guys' attention and light a fire. Maybe he's already tried. Who knows. I just don't see Will as a guy that accepts losing very well.


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