Indiana vs Notre Dame Post-Game Thread

[Buck Naked 451]

My. 2 cents. Gordon and Davis should start . Gordon is our best defender and can score . Davis is very active and shows a "want to" that is nonexistent in JH so far. Will should continue his former role of being a spark off the bench. I would also rather see Colin get the minutes Austin is getting, Austin gets an open 10 footer and freezes? Finally we need to stop this mass substitution pattern and figure out a rotation. Ok, I feel better. GO HOOSIERS!
 

 

I agree with Davis starting, and wondered why Gordon wasn't starting also. Then, after giving it serious thought, I think Gordon is best coming off the bench. When knuckleheads are making knucklehead plays, I would want a non-knucklehead coming of the bench. Sort of a calming force. The force Will should be.

 

As far as the sub patterns, I have absolutely no problem with them against Directional St. Got to figure out who plays well with who during a real game. But that ain't gonna fly come B1G time. Gotta narrow it down.

 

(BTW- this is my first post here, be gentle. I am a refugee from another site and had to quit due to the negativity and hate.)

[Hwy 1 2,053]

I agree with Davis starting, and wondered why Gordon wasn't starting also. Then, after giving it serious thought, I think Gordon is best coming off the bench. When knuckleheads are making knucklehead plays, I would want a non-knucklehead coming of the bench. Sort of a calming force. The force Will should be.

 

As far as the sub patterns, I have absolutely no problem with them against Directional St. Got to figure out who plays well with who during a real game. But that ain't gonna fly come B1G time. Gotta narrow it down.

 

(BTW- this is my first post here, be gentle. I am a refugee from another site and had to quit due to the negativity and hate.)

 

 

Welcome aboard. Hope you stick around and post often. I don't know why anyone would jump you for your opinion. It's well thought out and just as valid as any other. Someone may disagree but that's what forums are about. 

 

I do understand about fleeing the negativity. Life is too short to get bent out of shape and upset over something you enjoy watching. They're kids out there doing their best at a difficult game on a big stage. I'm not always happy about how things go but no need to bash them for when it goes bad. No need to bash another poster over an opinion either.  

[Buck Naked 451]

Thanks, I will. Alot of anger and hatred on that other site. Personal attacks. We can discuss and disagree with the coaches, players and each other without these attacks.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Here is the problem. I felt many people had high expectations for this team. We have so much talent, but we lack key things. IU will be fine, but this team just has to grow. Most of these guys just haven't figured it out because of youth. Hollowell doesn't suck or needs to be gone. He hasn't found himself just yet, but will. He is a lot like Ross from OSU, he was a non-factor for a lot of last season until it just clicked. Now look at him! Vonleh is very good, but like the other young guys, there is so much for these guys to learn.

 

IU doesn't have shooters, not very good leaders, and lack experience. This team is athletic, long, and has an incredible upside. It will just take time.

And that's it in a nutshell. People think because we have a great recruiting class, and lots of talented underclassmen, that this team should be world beaters. There is a reason that so many talented freshmen barely see the floor until their junior/senior years. We are seeing more of them on the floor because we do not have either numbers or strength in our upperclassmen. What I want to see is improvement all year long. At the best I thought this was a team that would nose around the bottom of the top 25/also receiving votes. That might have shot a little high. If its the NIT, cool, lets win it!

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Thanks, I will. Alot of anger and hatred on that other site. Personal attacks. We can discuss and disagree with the coaches, players and each other without these attacks.

Lol, many of us here are refugees! And some of us have spent a year or two wandering while we looked for the promised land!

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Lol, many of us here are refugees! And some of us have spent a year or two wandering while we looked for the promised land!

 

 

 

Are we there yet dad? ;)

[BlueDevil 9,071]

I agree with Davis starting, and wondered why Gordon wasn't starting also. Then, after giving it serious thought, I think Gordon is best coming off the bench. When knuckleheads are making knucklehead plays, I would want a non-knucklehead coming of the bench. Sort of a calming force. The force Will should be.

As far as the sub patterns, I have absolutely no problem with them against Directional St. Got to figure out who plays well with who during a real game. But that ain't gonna fly come B1G time. Gotta narrow it down.

(BTW- this is my first post here, be gentle. I am a refugee from another site and had to quit due to the negativity and hate.)

I could agree with Gordon coming off bench as I also think will should come off the bench but I couldn't believe Gordon didn't get into the game until like 12 minutes left in the first half.


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[Buck Naked 451]

I could agree with Gordon coming off bench as I also think will should come off the bench but I couldn't believe Gordon didn't get into the game until like 12 minutes left in the first half.


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I was wondering the same thing. I couldn't understand why it took so long to put him in. The team needed a kick start and he could have provided that. If it was true what Crean said after the game that the game was kind of too big for several players, Gordon could have come in for some instant leadership.


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[IUfan_Charlie 3,867]

And that's it in a nutshell. People think because we have a great recruiting class, ad lots of talented underclassmen, that this team should be world beaters. There is a reason that so many talented freshmen barely see the floor until their junior/senior years. We are seeing more of them on the floor because we do not have either numbers or strength in our upperclassmen. What I want to see is improvement all year long. At the best I thought this was a team that would nose around the bottom of the top 25/also receiving votes. That might have shot a little high. If its the NIT, cool, lets win it!

I wasn't expecting a "world beating" team, I, like most everyone on this board expected a top 30 or so team and to make the tournament, neither of which looks likely at all. I would consider that a disappointment 

[Naturalhoosier 15,439]

Question of the day:

Which is more mind boggling: Crean's manical substitution patterns or Doug Mallory still being employed?

I don't think that most on the BB board even know who Doug Mallory is. ;)



Just a few thoughts. Expectations. Im not sure why anyone is surprised by this loss. We are soooo friggin young. We are missing one key piece to meld this young talent. We do not have a true floor leader. Sure Sheehey can lead practices and Yogi can take the clipboard out of CTCs hands to draw up a play (in practice). But neither of these have shown me true on-the-court leadership.

I believe that Yogi is in a much different role this year than last. He is trying. But he is trying too hard. He'll get it, but it won't happen until we start consistently hitting shots.

Will will make a great coach one day. He understands the game, has charisma, etc.

Hollowell. I think we all had high expectations for this young man. While he's not currently filling the hole we hoped, he has the ability to be the backbone of this team next yr and the following year. He will have the experience, more time to enhance his game. I'm not saying he'll be the Floor General. But when we have a young group again he'll be the key senior that helps mold the youngins. I'm not ready to write him off. But if the season were to end today, I wouldn't be shocked if he decided to transfer either.


The B10 season is going to be rough and tumble for these guys. I have lowered my expectations from a bubble team to a NIT team unfortunately. At least until I see consistent improvement.


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[johnsoniu 6,796]

I don't think that most on the BB board even know who Doug Mallory is. ;)

 

 

You may be right. I'll put it in terms everyone can understand. Our substitution "pattern" sucks and is pretty much indefensible. This young team has no hope of gelling and becoming a cohesive unit as long as the parade of hockey line substitutions continue in their random fashion.

 

I have a pretty good idea why our players always seem to leave their feet with the ball and no idea who to pass to.....they don't have a clue as to who is in the game with them, let alone where that person is supposed to be.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Natty, I don't spend any time on the FB board but I do know who Mallory is, fyi. ;)

[mdn82 25,633]

Honestly, I was working yesterday during the game.  My buddy text me and told me not to watch it when I got home.  It is honestly the first game since 2008 I didn't watch.  Not sure if I will or not.  By the comments, I should leave well enough alone.  

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I wasn't expecting a "world beating" team, I, like most everyone on this board expected a top 30 or so team and to make the tournament, neither of which looks likely at all. I would consider that a disappointment 

And being disappointed is fair. But its not a broad line between being number 30 and being the first team out. So it shouldn't be that much of a disappointment. And this team may squeak in the tourney yet.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Are we there yet dad? ;)

Well, I think so. But if 41 doesn't get that "beer through the screen" thing working, who knows?  :onthequiet:

[JSHoosier 21,020]

That might have shot a little high. If its the NIT, cool, lets win it!

I couldn't possibly disagree more.  I think we're at the point where not making the tournament should be considered an absolute failure of a season.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Well, I think so. But if 41 doesn't get that "beer through the screen" thing working, who knows?  :onthequiet:

 

 

duh! Why do you think I asked? You are one of the cool kids.... I'm just a nerd in the hall.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

I couldn't possibly disagree more.  I think we're at the point where not making the tournament should be considered an absolute failure of a season.

We'll have to disagree then. I am not sure that any season should be judged as a failure just because we don't make the tourney. If I had ever felt that this team was a sure thing, then I would agree that not making the tourney would feel like a failure. I just don't see it at this time. We are missing way too much. 

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

duh! Why do you think I asked? You are one of the cool kids.... I'm just a nerd in the hall.

And I'm also wondering when he's going to schedule that all expenses paid (hookers and beer included) yearly trip to Bangkok he promised all the mods. Something he was calling a "focus group" getaway. 

[BlueDevil 9,071]

I couldn't possibly disagree more. I think we're at the point where not making the tournament should be considered an absolute failure of a season.

Thank you I couldn't agree more with this statement. There is no reason why this team should not be in the tournament. The season is a failure if they go NIT no matter how young they are. If Indiana is really "back" an NIT season should be looked at as a wtf year.


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