IUBB @ Rutger - Tuesday, 01.09.24 @ 7:00 on Peacock

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We really should have gone to Sparks on Omureyi earlier on the game. Ware was bothered by all the physicality, frustration was clear. 

Someone else mentioned how it seems like when Ware and Reneau are on the court together, they're either clogging up the paint or it's Reneau who gets put in the high post passing situations/perimeter shooting opportunities. I'd be curious about switching those roles and wonder if KW crashing down from the elbow/foul line extended would help get some offensive boards/easy second chances. 

Malik is who we go to when we need a bucket and he is a reliable option, but I cringe every time he tries muscling through a wall of 3 defenders. Can the staff PLEASE coach him up on how to recognize the double team coming and kick out/reverse to opposite wing for a 3? There will be so many opportunities for Mack and CJ if we can get that right. 

Mack plays stiff, he's limited athletically, but he's not close to the biggest issue with this team right now. A second year would be great if he sticks around. Absent that, you have to wonder if the Mgbakos have any buyers remorse... his decision will say a lot about the direction of travel for the program.

At the end of the day you're not gonna win too many D1 games with barely any backcourt at all. 

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1 hour ago, IU_FanClub said:

Look I am with you he has not been doing a good job this season but 100% of the blame can't be on him, the players have to show up with their big boy pants on too.

No, it's ultimately ALL on him. There are better players in D1 than on our team. There are things that happen in the course of a game that can't are out if his control, but teaching fundamentals are on him. Crappy effort is on him. He's got 15-17 players, and only 5 at time are on the floor, If the players aren't doing their jobs, sit them down and play a walk-on who at least gives a crap. 

It all comes back to him. Period.

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2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

We really should have gone to Sparks on Omureyi earlier on the game. Ware was bothered by all the physicality, frustration was clear. 

Someone else mentioned how it seems like when Ware and Reneau are on the court together, they're either clogging up the paint or it's Reneau who gets put in the high post passing situations/perimeter shooting opportunities. I'd be curious about switching those roles and wonder if KW crashing down from the elbow/foul line extended would help get some offensive boards/easy second chances. 

Malik is who we go to when we need a bucket and he is a reliable option, but I cringe every time he tries muscling through a wall of 3 defenders. Can the staff PLEASE coach him up on how to recognize the double team coming and kick out/reverse to opposite wing for a 3? There will be so many opportunities for Mack and CJ if we can get that right. 

Mack plays stiff, he's limited athletically, but he's not close to the biggest issue with this team right now. A second year would be great if he sticks around. Absent that, you have to wonder if the Mgbakos have any buyers remorse... his decision will say a lot about the direction of travel for the program.

At the end of the day you're not gonna win too many D1 games with barely any backcourt at all. 

Well.. Malik would probably have to create less for other if MM and Gunn could dribble left handed. 

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Christ-- he's been a college campus for like 9 months.. how much longer do they carry those make believe stars with them? 
He pretty clearly isn't a "5 star" basketball player.

Lol. Not playing like one.

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One other thing I will add I laugh to myself when I see people say that Xavier should be kicked off the team in one sentence, then in the next sentence say we should hire Chris Beard. 

I personally would not play Xavier on Friday night. I personally would never hire Chris Beard.

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If there is one thing I think we have learned about Woodson is he really knows how to bring a totally unprepared team to a game and put out one of the most disappointing losses you can imagine. Then when all hope is lost and you think these guys couldn't beat the Washington generals they win a few and shock you. Let's hope that is our next 2 games

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21 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Mack plays stiff, he's limited athletically, but he's not close to the biggest issue with this team right now. A second year would be great if he sticks around. Absent that, you have to wonder if the Mgbakos have any buyers remorse... his decision will say a lot about the direction of travel for the program.

He's terrible defensively to the point he's unplayable down the stretch. He's the teams best shooter on a team that can't shoot. The fact that he's that bad defensively to the point he can't play down the stretch is a massive issue. 

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15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

One other thing I will add I laugh to myself when I see people say that Xavier should be kicked off the team in one sentence, then in the next sentence say we should hire Chris Beard. 

I personally would not play Xavier on Friday night. I personally would never hire Chris Beard.

I'm not sure why either are mutually exclusive? Xavier Johnson is a 6th year player who still hasn't learned. He hurts the team far more than he helps at this juncture of his career and his shenanigans both on and off the court have run its course.

Chris Beard is one of the best basketball coaches in the country deserving of a second chance. Hold him to the same standard that you should hold XJ too. One screw up and you're gone. 

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7 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

He's terrible defensively to the point he's unplayable down the stretch. He's the teams best shooter on a team that can't shoot. The fact that he's that bad defensively to the point he can't play down the stretch is a massive issue. 

If we benched everyone that is terrible defensively would we even have 5 players on the floor?

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1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm not sure why either are mutually exclusive? Xavier Johnson is a 6th year player who still hasn't learned. He hurts the team far more than he helps at this juncture of his career and his shenanigans both on and off the court have run its course.

Chris Beard is one of the best basketball coaches in the country deserving of a second chance. Hold him to the same standard that you should hold XJ too. One screw up and you're gone. 

So your argument is that as a 6th year player Johnson should be mature enough to not do the stuff he's been doing. I'll buy that.

But a guy in his late 40s getting arrested for domestic violence shouldn't be held to the same standard because he wins? Nope. He should be way more mature than a guy in his early/mid 20s (basically half of Beard's age). The arrest is a bigger red flag than anything Johnson has done because of his age and the nature of it.

If Woodson is gone after this year or 5 years from now, Beard will not be the next coach.

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8 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm not sure why either are mutually exclusive? Xavier Johnson is a 6th year player who still hasn't learned. He hurts the team far more than he helps at this juncture of his career and his shenanigans both on and off the court have run its course.

Chris Beard is one of the best basketball coaches in the country deserving of a second chance. Hold him to the same standard that you should hold XJ too. One screw up and you're gone. 

You are literally the one changing your standards for someone you perceive will do a better job. 

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Just now, go iu bb said:

So your argument is that as a 6th year player Johnson should be mature enough to not do the stuff he's been doing. I'll buy that.

But a guy in his late 40s getting arrested for domestic violence shouldn't be held to the same standard because he wins? Nope. He should be way more mature than a guy in his early/mid 20s (basically half of Beard's age). The arrest is a bigger red flag than anything Johnson has done because of his age and the nature of it.

If Woodson is gone after this year or 5 years from now, Beard will not be the next coach.

IU tolerated numerous incidents of documented assault from its men's basketball coach until he no longer won. I don't understand the holier than thou crowd? I don't condone what was alleged to have happened at all but I don't think his life as a coach should be over with for good. I'm all for second chances because I know and have seen people grow from some awful mistakes. 

And for the record, I agree Beard won't ever coach at IU. But we also aren't serious about winning either so it makes sense. 

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2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

IU tolerated numerous incidents of documented assault from its men's basketball coach until he no longer won. I don't understand the holier than thou crowd? I don't condone what was alleged to have happened at all but I don't think his life as a coach should be over with for good. I'm all for second chances because I know and have seen people grow from some awful mistakes. 

And for the record, I agree Beard won't ever coach at IU. But we also aren't serious about winning either so it makes sense. 

Ah, there's the whataboutism I expected would show up sooner or later.

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1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

You are literally the one changing your standards for someone you perceive will do a better job. 

I'm hiring someone based on their ability to perform a job or task to the best of their abilities. There aren't many people in America who have a better ability at what they do than Chris Beard. If his prior transgressions are repeated he's gone, simple as that. 

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Just now, go iu bb said:

Ah, there's the whataboutism I expected would show up sooner or later.

Whataboutism? Explain please. 

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14 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I'm not sure why either are mutually exclusive? Xavier Johnson is a 6th year player who still hasn't learned. He hurts the team far more than he helps at this juncture of his career and his shenanigans both on and off the court have run its course.

Chris Beard is one of the best basketball coaches in the country deserving of a second chance. Hold him to the same standard that you should hold XJ too. One screw up and you're gone. 

It's not Beard's first offense either. That's why a lot of schools passed on him before Texas brought him home. Alcohol, violence, and domestic abuse. But kick the kid off for nutting someone and driving fast.

As I said I wouldn't play Xavier next game. I'm sick of his crap but Beard is a huge red flag for me

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5 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Whataboutism? Explain please. 

Instead of addressing why Beard getting arrested for domestic violence in his late 40s isn't a huge red flag, you instead turn to "What about Bob Knight and his issues?"

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9 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Instead of addressing why Beard getting arrested for domestic violence in his late 40s isn't a huge red flag, you instead turn to "What about Bob Knight and his issues?"

"If it happens again, he's gone, simple as that."

What a naive and simplistic way of viewing things. I guess some would not be bothered to have Indiana University's name in headlines for Beard's next act of drunken violence. The pictures of his badly beaten wife won't bother them either, as long as he's winning games. The cycle of abuse thrives on "give me one more chance"

Shame because Beard is damn good at coaching basketball. Probably not a great leader of men. Not worth sacrificing your standards. Other coaches can help get us where we want to be. If that's holier than thou, so be it. I'll pray for you. 

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That game was pathetic! That is all.

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4 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Instead of addressing why Beard getting arrested for domestic violence in his late 40s isn't a huge red flag, you instead turn to "What about Bob Knight and his issues?"

He made a mistake that he'll have to live with forever. I'm not sure what that has to do with his ability to coach and teach the game of basketball? He's literally one of the best in the business as what he does. 

This fan base and university tolerated RMK for 30 years until he no longer won, they'd do the same for Beard. Moral compass, so long as it is upheld WHILE employed, is not high on my priority list when hiring a coach who quite literally is paid to win basketball games.