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35 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Knight would be considered old school.  

Think you're missing the point.  You're citing single players who put up single-digit 3s per game.  Iowa as a team made more than we shot.  

Yet Knight knew how to defend the 3. If that’s old school then I’m not sure what the distinction is. 
 

I’m citing counterfactuals to your erroneous statement that players back then couldn’t shoot 3’s. I have no idea what single-digit 3’s has to do with anything. Since I have the ‘87 page pulled up: the leader in 3’s made that year made 158/362. The leader last year made 142/364. The leader in 3% last year was 47% which was considerably lower than Alford’s 53% in 1987.   
 

Looking at team stats (I had to go to 93 here because of the way they kept team stats) the top 3 shooting teams launch about 20% more last year than the top teams, by volume, in ‘93 but the top ‘93 teams were considerably better 3 point shooters, on average. 
 

You’re assertion that 3pt shooters in the “old days” were worse than now is simply false. I think you could make the case that teams now let more bad shooters shoot 3’s. That’s not really going to fundamentally change how you guard someone, though. 

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Yet Knight knew how to defend the 3. If that’s old school then I’m not sure what the distinction is. 
 
I’m citing counterfactuals to your erroneous statement that players back then couldn’t shoot 3’s. I have no idea what single-digit 3’s has to do with anything. Since I have the ‘87 page pulled up: the leader in 3’s made that year made 158/362. The leader last year made 142/364. The leader in 3% last year was 47% which was considerably lower than Alford’s 53% in 1987.   
 
Looking at team stats (I had to go to 93 here because of the way they kept team stats) the top 3 shooting teams launch about 20% more last year than the top teams, by volume, in ‘93 but the top ‘93 teams were considerably better 3 point shooters, on average. 
 
You’re assertion that 3pt shooters in the “old days” were worse than now is simply false. I think you could make the case that teams now let more bad shooters shoot 3’s. That’s not really going to fundamentally change how you guard someone, though. 

Don't discount defending the three is monumentally tougher today than in knights day. The line has been moved back a few times since which creates greater distance the d has to move out to defend. I would also argue the kids practicing that shot from grade school on is meaningful to alot better shooting. When I was young shooting that distance was frowned upon unless you were proven

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2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Yet Knight knew how to defend the 3. If that’s old school then I’m not sure what the distinction is. 
 

I’m citing counterfactuals to your erroneous statement that players back then couldn’t shoot 3’s. I have no idea what single-digit 3’s has to do with anything. Since I have the ‘87 page pulled up: the leader in 3’s made that year made 158/362. The leader last year made 142/364. The leader in 3% last year was 47% which was considerably lower than Alford’s 53% in 1987.   
 

Looking at team stats (I had to go to 93 here because of the way they kept team stats) the top 3 shooting teams launch about 20% more last year than the top teams, by volume, in ‘93 but the top ‘93 teams were considerably better 3 point shooters, on average. 
 

Your assertion that 3pt shooters in the “old days” were worse than now is simply false. I think you could make the case that teams now let more bad shooters shoot 3’s. That’s not really going to fundamentally change how you guard someone, though. 

That’s not my assertion.  You’re looking at single players.  Look at depth.  Are there not more players shooting higher percentages today than back when?   Currently there are 42 players shooting 40% or better.  245 teams shooting 33% or better.  In 1998, there were 204 teams shooting 33% or better.  That’s a 20% increase.  
 

 

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21 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

So back when they put the 3 point line in I was at Bobby Knight’s annual talk to the students.  He was specifically asked about the new 3 point shot.  He’s response:  I’m not really concerned.  I have the only player who can shoot the darn thing.  
 

Alford was the exception that proved the rule.  :)

There were plenty of great shooters in the 80's and 90's, don't know where you get your info.

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https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-12/tracking-strange-ways-college-basketball-field-goal

Article on how shooting percentages changed over the years

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14 hours ago, Scotty R said:

There were plenty of great shooters in the 80's and 90's, don't know where you get your info.

That particular bit came from Knight himself.  
 

I think the article you posted sums it up pretty good.  It took time for the 3 pt shot to become a thing.  Then this line is what I’m talking about — “In fact, after a period of stagnation from 1995 to 2015, Division I teams have shot more and more 3-pointers each year, while — strangely enough — field goal percentage has increased in each of the past four years.”   My point being if you have a defensive scheme based on the 1995-2015 time period which sacrifices the 3 to defend the paint you may need to adjust.  Archie’s pack line did that — focused on the paint and we didn’t guard the three very well.  Jury is still out, but Woodson’s defense might suffer a similar fate.  That’s all I’m saying.  

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