IU shots by zone

[RaceToTheTop]

cbb analytics run shots by zone -- little more in depth than what Tarvik does.  Obviously don't need to put the three point shots up since those are available anywhere, but here are the two point shooting stats by three zones:  at the rim (within 4 feet), inside the lane but not at the rim, and outside of the lane.

at the rim:

TJD:  113/154 (73%)

Race:  57/76 (75%)

X:  33/50 (66%)

Kopp:  2/3 (67%)

Stewart: 2/4 (50%)

Bates:  7/13 (54%)

Phin: 10/18 (56%)

Geronimo:  18/26 (69%)

Galloway: 16/22 (73%)

Durr 2/3 (67%)

Leal 4/5 (80%)

Lander 7/9 (78%)

TOTAL: 271/383  (71%)

in the lane not at the rim:

TJD:  42/110 (38%)

Race:  33/62 (53%)

X:  16/45 (36%)

Kopp 4/14 (29%)

Stewart: 4/7 (57%)

Bates: 4/13 (31%)

Phin: 3/15 (20%)

Geronimo: 5/12 (42%)

Galloway: 10/20 (50%)

Durr 3/10 (30%)

Leal:  no attempts

Lander (0/1)

TOTAL 124/309 (40%)

outside the lane

TJD:  6/16 (38%)

Race:  13/28 (46%)

X:  9/40 (23%)

Kopp: 16/44 (36%)

Stewart: 3/17 (18%)

Bates: 9/22 (41%)

Phin: 3/14 (21%)

Geronimo: 8/18 (44%)

Galloway 2/5 (40%)

Durr 7/10 (70%)

Leal no attempts

Lander (1/5) (20%)

TOTAL 77/219 (35%)

[IU Scott]

5 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

cbb analytics run shots by zone -- little more in depth than what Tarvik does.  Obviously don't need to put the three point shots up since those are available anywhere, but here are the two point shooting stats by three zones:  at the rim (within 4 feet), inside the lane but not at the rim, and outside of the lane.

at the rim:

TJD:  113/154 (73%)

Race:  57/76 (75%)

X:  33/50 (66%)

Kopp:  2/3 (67%)

Stewart: 2/4 (50%)

Bates:  7/13 (54%)

Phin: 10/18 (56%)

Geronimo:  18/26 (69%)

Galloway: 16/22 (73%)

Durr 2/3 (67%)

Leal 4/5 (80%)

Lander 7/9 (78%)

TOTAL: 271/383  (71%)

in the lane not at the rim:

TJD:  42/110 (38%)

Race:  33/62 (53%)

X:  16/45 (36%)

Kopp 4/14 (29%)

Stewart: 4/7 (57%)

Bates: 4/13 (31%)

Phin: 3/15 (20%)

Geronimo: 5/12 (42%)

Galloway: 10/20 (50%)

Durr 3/10 (30%)

Leal:  no attempts

Lander (0/1)

TOTAL 124/309 (40%)

outside the lane

TJD:  6/16 (38%)

Race:  13/28 (46%)

X:  9/40 (23%)

Kopp: 16/44 (36%)

Stewart: 3/17 (18%)

Bates: 9/22 (41%)

Phin: 3/14 (21%)

Geronimo: 8/18 (44%)

Galloway 2/5 (40%)

Durr 7/10 (70%)

Leal no attempts

Lander (1/5) (20%)

TOTAL 77/219 (35%)

In the lane shots are atrocious

[RaceToTheTop]

4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

In the lane shots are atrocious

Definitely below average.

For context, here is where IU is at compared to all of D1:

At the rim:  IU is at 71%, NCAA average is 65%. IU also shoots more shots at the rim than average (28% of IU's shots are at the rim, 24% average in D1)

In the lane:  IU is at 40%, NCAA average is 44%.  IU is around the national average in shots taken here (22% of IU's shots are here, D1 average is 23%)

Outside the lane:  IU hits 35%, D1 average is 35%.  IU shoots more shots in these zones than D1 average (16 compared to 13%)

Defensive profile:

IU allows only 59% shooting at the rim;  33% inside the lane; 32% outside the lane.

[IU Scott]

37 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Definitely below average.

For context, here is where IU is at compared to all of D1:

At the rim:  IU is at 71%, NCAA average is 65%. IU also shoots more shots at the rim than average (28% of IU's shots are at the rim, 24% average in D1)

In the lane:  IU is at 40%, NCAA average is 44%.  IU is around the national average in shots taken here (22% of IU's shots are here, D1 average is 23%)

Outside the lane:  IU hits 35%, D1 average is 35%.  IU shoots more shots in these zones than D1 average (16 compared to 13%)

Defensive profile:

IU allows only 59% shooting at the rim;  33% inside the lane; 32% outside the lane.

Just going off memory but I don't remember seeing this many missed shots within 10 feet that we see on today's basketball.

[IU Scott]

I even think the average at the rim is pretty bad.  If you are at the rim you should hit most of those shots.  I just think now with analytics saying only shoot at the rim or a 3 makes it so much easier to guard.  If they know you will go all the way to the basket the defenders will just camp out in tbe rim.  With long and athletic bigs it makes it harder to shoot over it seemed like old IU teams would shoot well over 50 percent from all 2's which included a lot of 15 foot shots.

[RaceToTheTop]

33 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I even think the average at the rim is pretty bad.  If you are at the rim you should hit most of those shots.  I just think now with analytics saying only shoot at the rim or a 3 makes it so much easier to guard.  If they know you will go all the way to the basket the defenders will just camp out in tbe rim.  With long and athletic bigs it makes it harder to shoot over it seemed like old IU teams would shoot well over 50 percent from all 2's which included a lot of 15 foot shots.

This year's team, without much shooting prowess, is shooting 52% on 2 point shots.  I think over half of the teams in division 1 are shooting over 50% on all 2's.  The skill set necessary for the game is different than it would have been in the 80's/90's or even 20 years ago.   There is a de-emphasize on the skill of shooting a 15 footer because even if a guy can consistently knock down half of those, he's better off being able to hit 35% on a shot that's just five foot longer.

The truth is that across division 1, two point shooting percentage has increased in the last 20 years.  170+ teams hitting 50% from two this year;  twenty years ago it was closer to 120.  In fact, IU's last team to make the title game -- in 2002 -- shot just 48.4% from two.

 

[Rico]

So any shot not at the rim is taken in the "dead zone?"

[HoosierHoopster]

13 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

This year's team, without much shooting prowess, is shooting 52% on 2 point shots.  I think over half of the teams in division 1 are shooting over 50% on all 2's.  The skill set necessary for the game is different than it would have been in the 80's/90's or even 20 years ago.   There is a de-emphasize on the skill of shooting a 15 footer because even if a guy can consistently knock down half of those, he's better off being able to hit 35% on a shot that's just five foot longer.

The truth is that across division 1, two point shooting percentage has increased in the last 20 years.  170+ teams hitting 50% from two this year;  twenty years ago it was closer to 120.  In fact, IU's last team to make the title game -- in 2002 -- shot just 48.4% from two.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this, at least generally, as based on the stats. On a stat basis, you have to shoot 3's, and broken record that I am, that's one of the reasons I keep wondering why in the world we aren't shooting more of them when we added Stewart and Kopp to the lineup specifically to do just that.

On the flip side, having a guy who can and will hit from the elbow or bank shot etc. also opens the floor, pulling defenders. I don't think that's adequately picked up in stats on shooting percentages.

On the pro level, for the extreme example, look at DeRozan, who is having a career year, and the value he adds to his team's offense. This year he's averaging 28 ppg, shooting 54% 2's and just 34% 3's, with an eFG% of 53%, and his current scoring streak matches Wilt, 6 conseq games scoring at least 35 while shooting over 50% and he's doing that with a mid-range game. That's kind of crazy, he's an exception, but his game and the value he adds often gets lost in the numbers game.

[JSHoosier]

Out of morbid curiosity I checked FT%, IU is at 289 nationally.  That hurts to type.

[coonhounds]

Out of morbid curiosity I checked FT%, IU is at 289 nationally.  That hurts to type.

Probably the best part of this is it was no secret we are horrible at free throws since day 1 Archie Miller. We get a new coach and several new players and remain terrible lol

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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

Out of morbid curiosity I checked FT%, IU is at 289 nationally.  That hurts to type.

Know what's even worse?  Our free throw defense.  Our opponents are shooting 76.7% from the line.....11th best mark of any team's opponents in the country.  

NCAA average is 71.4%.  Not taking into account extra free throws lost on one-and-ones, IU has missed 17 more free throws than would be expected if we were just an average free throw shooting team.  Compounding that:  if our opponents were shooting the NCAA average from the line, opponents have made an additional 21 more free throws than would be expected.  That's a 38 point swing that sure would have went a long way in getting an extra win or two.

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Know what's even worse?  Our free throw defense.  Our opponents are shooting 76.7% from the line.....11th best mark of any team's opponents in the country.  

NCAA average is 71.4%.  Not taking into account extra free throws lost on one-and-ones, IU has missed 17 more free throws than would be expected if we were just an average free throw shooting team.  Compounding that:  if our opponents were shooting the NCAA average from the line, opponents have made an additional 21 more free throws than would be expected.  That's a 38 point swing that sure would have went a long way in getting an extra win or two.

Of course our opponents shoot better from the line when we couldn't throw it in the ocean from the beach.  You know, just to add insult to injury.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Of course our opponents shoot better from the line when we couldn't throw it in the ocean from the beach.  You know, just to add insult to injury.

It sucks to have salt rubbed in your wounds, especially when you bring your own salt.