Bracketology and Team Resumes

[LIHoosier 27,096]

I can’t remember but isn’t there a number like ‘no team with a NET better than X has missed the tournament?’
im sure its not in the 50s, maybe not even the 40s.  I’m just curious for those more knowledgeable than me

IIRC, last year Indiana St missed the tourney with a NET around 35 and St Johns wasn't too close behind.

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[Uspshoosier 48,355]

IU 

NET-56

Q1-(3-10). (2 of those are Q1a road wins against tourney quality teams)

Q2- 3-0

Q3- 5-0 

SOS-24

Non con sos-161

WAB-47

ken Pom 55 

No losses in the Q2-Q4 range 

4 wins away from home 

11-10 against the top 3 Quads 

yes we are getting a new coach next year which is awesome 

no we are not competing for B1G titles 

IU is a bubble team with a great chance to make the tourney if they win their home games.  As I said a while ago 10-10 with the right wins still could get them in.   11-9 and they are going to be in but still a low seed 

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

6 minutes ago, JHoosier914 said:

I can’t remember but isn’t there a number like ‘no team with a NET better than X has missed the tournament?’

im sure its not in the 50s, maybe not even the 40s.  I’m just curious for those more knowledgeable than me

St John’s amd Rutgers have gotten in with a NET in the 70s before 

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

4 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

IIRC, last year Indiana St missed the tourney with a NET around 35 and St Johns wasn't too close behind.

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Sparty was a top 30 NET team last year and was a bubble team 

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

Yeah Clemson has missed the tourney having a net in the 30s and ISU was top 30 last year 

[Stuhoo 84,277]

I fully expect 10-10 in conference gets us in. If we get one out of two at home against Puredump and UCLA that necessitate 3-1 against PSU, OSU, UWash, and Oregon.

So there's clearly an achievable path.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,443]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I fully expect 10-10 in conference gets us in. If we get one out of two at home against Puredump and UCLA that necessitate 3-1 against PSU, OSU, UWash, and Oregon.

So there's clearly an achievable path.

agreed.  Hope it happens!

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,116]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

 As I said a while ago 10-10 with the right wins still could get them in.   11-9 and they are going to be in but still a low seed 

Tyme @Tyme1299218

Back on bubble (it is soft as hell) Said weeks ago 10-10 gets them in.

 

Purely out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen USPS and Tyme in the same room at the same time?

[RaceToTheTop 27,524]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU 

NET-56

Q1-(3-10). (2 of those are Q1a road wins against tourney quality teams)

Q2- 3-0

Q3- 5-0 

SOS-24

Non con sos-161

WAB-47

ken Pom 55 

No losses in the Q2-Q4 range 

4 wins away from home 

11-10 against the top 3 Quads 

yes we are getting a new coach next year which is awesome 

no we are not competing for B1G titles 

IU is a bubble team with a great chance to make the tourney if they win their home games.  As I said a while ago 10-10 with the right wins still could get them in.   11-9 and they are going to be in but still a low seed 

In lieu of winning all four home games, if IU were to drop one but then win at Washington they would still have a 10-10 conference record.

I believe as of right now (could change) that we have 4 quad 1 and 2 quad 2 games left.  Has any team ever missed the tournament when all of their losses were Q1?

[RaceToTheTop 27,524]

4 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Tyme @Tyme1299218

Back on bubble (it is soft as hell) Said weeks ago 10-10 gets them in.

 

Purely out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen USPS and Tyme in the same room at the same time?

The only way they are the same person is the way that Jekyll and Hyde were the same man.

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

30 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In lieu of winning all four home games, if IU were to drop one but then win at Washington they would still have a 10-10 conference record.

I believe as of right now (could change) that we have 4 quad 1 and 2 quad 2 games left.  Has any team ever missed the tournament when all of their losses were Q1?

Yeah 

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

34 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Tyme @Tyme1299218

Back on bubble (it is soft as hell) Said weeks ago 10-10 gets them in.

 

Purely out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen USPS and Tyme in the same room at the same time?

Just because I told everyone here 10-10 would get IU in 3 games into the B1G doesn’t mean I’m that guy.    My work is based on Math and past experience projecting the field.    Kansas St was left for dead after they lost 6 in a row now they have won 6.   Blessing and curse of playing in a top 3 conference that did great in the non conference.   A team is never out if they got opportunities in front of them but the teams you play are all good and a chance you lose too much to get in.   For someone like me to t has been doing this a very long time.   I can not watch any games and see which conferences did great in the non conference and predict the conference record teams would need to go.   It’s what I do 

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In lieu of winning all four home games, if IU were to drop one but then win at Washington they would still have a 10-10 conference record.

IU needs the Purdue game at home and I would argue ucla just to have 2 more wins against the field.  Purdue would be a win against a top 3 seed.  They need that to separate themselves from other bubble teams.    While a road win at Washington would be good it’s not a win against a team projected in the field.   If they lose to Penn st at home then you just lost a home game vs a non tourney team.   Best case scenario is to win the home games.   
 

 

[RaceToTheTop 27,524]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU needs the Purdue game at home and I would argue ucla just to have 2 more wins against the field.  Purdue would be a win against a top 3 seed.  They need that to separate themselves from other bubble teams.    While a road win at Washington would be good it’s not a win against a team projected in the field.   If they lose to Penn st at home then you just lost a home game vs a non tourney team.   Best case scenario is to win the home games.   
 

 

I would agree that's the best case scenario, just wondering about other paths.  A win at Oregon should also be a win against a team in the field.

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

6 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I would agree that's the best case scenario, just wondering about other paths.  A win at Oregon should also be a win against a team in the field.

There are other paths and it will also depend on how the bubble looks at the bottom.  Oklahoma last year was the team I was referring to earlier.   They were 4-12 in Q1 games and all their losses was Q1 and they got left out. 1st or 2nd team out if I’m remembering right.  They had a non con sos around 274.  IUs is around 161 as of today.  

[RaceToTheTop 27,524]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

There are other paths and it will also depend on how the bubble looks at the bottom.  Oklahoma last year was the team I was referring to earlier.   They were 4-12 in Q1 games and all their losses was Q1 and they got left out. 1st or 2nd team out if I’m remembering right.  They had a non con sos around 274.  IUs amid around 161 as of today.  

I know that the committee doesn't look at the conference tournaments all that much -- particularly the Saturday/Sunday games.  Do you think if IU was on the bubble it might be better to be seeded somewhere 10 or lower in the conference tournament in order to get an extra game in on Wednesday -- that is, if they are a bubble team, is it better to have potentially more opportunities to play their way in?

It seems likely that Wednesday games will most likely be against Q2 teams and Thursday would most likely be Q1.

Currently, for games on neutral courts:

Quad 1:  Purdue (9), Illinois (13), Wisconsin (16), Michigan (17), Maryland (18), Michigan State (23), UCLA (25), Ohio State (28), Oregon (34), Nebraska (47)

Quad 2:  Indiana (56), Northwestern (59), USC (62), Iowa (67), Rutgers (69), Penn State (73), Washington (92), Minnesota (99)

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

22 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I know that the committee doesn't look at the conference tournaments all that much -- particularly the Saturday/Sunday games.  Do you think if IU was on the bubble it might be better to be seeded somewhere 10 or lower in the conference tournament in order to get an extra game in on Wednesday -- that is, if they are a bubble team, is it better to have potentially more opportunities to play their way in?

It seems likely that Wednesday games will most likely be against Q2 teams and Thursday would most likely be Q1.

Currently, for games on neutral courts:

Quad 1:  Purdue (9), Illinois (13), Wisconsin (16), Michigan (17), Maryland (18), Michigan State (23), UCLA (25), Ohio State (28), Oregon (34), Nebraska (47)

Quad 2:  Indiana (56), Northwestern (59), USC (62), Iowa (67), Rutgers (69), Penn State (73), Washington (92), Minnesota (99)

Maybe.  Bottom 3 teams won’t make the B1G tourney so take away Minny, Washington and Penn st if they were to hold up so playing a top 70 at worst could help.   I personally would want the bye and win your Thursday game.  Any game after Friday I wouldn’t put much weight into the result.   Iu will be an interesting case if they win their home games.    I can tell you I will not be happy if they are in the First 4.  I do not want to do that again.   If they make the tourney they better clear the first 4.   I want to enjoy my 2 days in Dayton watching stress free basketball 

[Hovadipo 58,699]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Maybe.  Bottom 3 teams won’t make the B1G tourney so take away Minny, Washington and Penn st if they were to hold up so playing a top 70 at worst could help.   I personally would want the bye and win your Thursday game.  Any game after Friday I wouldn’t put much weight into the result.   Iu will be an interesting case if they win their home games.    I can tell you I will not be happy if they are in the First 4.  I do not want to do that again.   If they make the tourney they better clear the first 4.   I want to enjoy my 2 days in Dayton watching stress free basketball 

IU vs UNC in Dayton. Prepare yourself.

[IU Prof 1,297]

I would think that the nature of some of our losses (Louisville, Gonzaga, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin) will definitely factor against us if we're right on the bubble...

[Uspshoosier 48,355]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

IU vs UNC in Dayton. Prepare yourself.