Statistical Analysis of IU

[Str8Hoosiers]

Maybe it is just me but I love to look at statistics and manipulations and see where it leads me. Everybody can use the "eye test" but everybody sees something different or at least sees it in a different way. Statistics are fascinating because they are what they are yet they are also so very open for interpretation. Well this stat is higher because of that... or this stat would be higher but the plan doesn't allow for it... type of influences.

So here are the current IU stats and a small analysis from me on them... I would be interested to hear others thoughts and/or analysis.

Player	MIN	FGM	FGA	FTM	FTA	3PM	3PA	PTS	OFFR	DEFR	REB	AST	TO	STL	BLK
Romeo Langford	397	75	152	54	78	9	44	213	15	56	71	32	28	10	13
Juwan Morgan	337	83	122	21	37	13	28	200	25	64	89	28	27	8	16
Rob Phinisee	313	32	72	9	14	13	29	86	2	31	33	42	20	13	2
Justin Smith	268	39	74	21	34	2	5	101	14	33	47	9	27	9	3
Aljami Durham	268	29	68	13	17	13	34	84	1	13	14	18	16	6	3
Evan Fitzner	181	23	44	9	13	10	21	65	7	33	40	7	7	5	2
Devonte Green	170	21	52	9	12	11	28	62	0	26	26	28	20	12	2
De'Ron Davis	133	21	34	13	22	0	0	55	6	18	24	5	12	6	8
Zach McRoberts	128	4	8	0	0	3	7	11	2	22	24	8	3	3	0
Damezi Anderson	117	9	24	0	1	4	15	22	2	10	12	6	5	2	0
Clifton Moore	30	4	6	2	5	0	0	10	5	13	18	3	3	2	2
Jake Forrester	22	8	12	0	2	0	0	16	5	4	9	0	3	0	1
Johnny Jager	12	0	2	0	2	0	2	0	0	0	0	1	1	2	0
Vijay Blackmon	9	2	4	0	0	1	2	5	0	1	1	1	1	0	0
Quentin Taylor	7	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	3	0	1	1	0
Race Thompson	4	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals	2396	351	676	151	237	79	215	932	84	327	411	188	174	79	52

 

I will admit my analysis began as me looking at the stats of 1 player in particular... a player who is constantly being condemned by many so I will start my analysis on him:

Devonte Green - While being 7th in minutes played he is 2nd in 3's made & Steals. He is 3rd in Assists, however Green is also 3rd in TOs. Per minute played Green is #1 Assists & Steals and even though he is also #1 in TO's he has the 3rd best Assist/Turnover ratio on the team.

Zach McRoberts - Next up is McBob who is also at the center of a lot of Playing Time discussions. It is the hustle plays that give him any minutes at all and they are surely not reflected in a statistical analysis... but he is shooting 50% on the season he just refuses to shoot.His stats are limited but he has the #1 Assist/Turnover Ratio on the team and is 3rd in Rebounds per minute played.

Justin Smith - Continues to drive me crazy on the court (via my Eye Test) but after looking at the Stats he is contributing nicely. #3 in Field Goals made, #3 at Free Throw attempts (drawing fouls is a grossly underrated part of winning ball games). #3 in Points & Rebounds as well. The bad part of his game is that he is #2 in Turnovers in both total and per minute played.

I purposely started out with the guys that get the bad usually... but will end with the good...

Romeo Langford - As expected he has played the most minutes, and attempted the most shots, he is our go to after all. He is our #1 scorer and has attempted more FT than anybody else on the team (He has shot more FT than ANY 2 players on the team combined). But for all this he has his flaws as well... he has the most TOs on the team, and he has attempted the most 3's while only being #6 on 3's made. He plays tough on both ends of the floor though as he is #2 in Blocked Shots & #3 in Steals.

Juwan Morgan - The counter-punch to Romeo is 2nd in every category that Romeo is 1st and is basically 1st in all the others. Juwan is leading the team in 3s made while only being 4th in 3s attempted and he is #2 in Points scored. Leads the team in Rebounds & Blocks.

 

 

[Str8Hoosiers]

@Old Friend I would like to hear your thoughts on some of these numbers.... 

Not trying to call you out or anything, but your comments in the Watford recruiting thread are what started my journey here... and I didn't want to take that thread off the rails...

Your specific grievance appeared to be the fact that Green has 0 Offense Rebounds this season... (I admit I originally read your post as 0 rebounds and I knew there was no way that was true so I went and researched for myself).

But looking at these stats Green has 0 but Durham only has 1 & Phinisee only has 2 while both have played considerably more minutes that Green. I believe this is the outcome of design... the PG's job per Archie (I am assuming not quoting him) is to get back to the defensive end of the floor, not crash the offensive glass.

[Josh]

I love these stats, thank you!  Some people let their own preconceived notions cloud their vision.

I had no idea Romeo had taken the most shots.  Sometimes it seems like the offense ignores him.

[Stromboli]

1 hour ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

Maybe it is just me but I love to look at statistics and manipulations and see where it leads me.

 

 

Not just you!  The Pizza Sandwich stands with you.

 

 

[Old Friend]

58 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

@Old Friend I would like to hear your thoughts on some of these numbers.... 

Not trying to call you out or anything, but your comments in the Watford recruiting thread are what started my journey here... and I didn't want to take that thread off the rails...

Your specific grievance appeared to be the fact that Green has 0 Offense Rebounds this season... (I admit I originally read your post as 0 rebounds and I knew there was no way that was true so I went and researched for myself).

But looking at these stats Green has 0 but Durham only has 1 & Phinisee only has 2 while both have played considerably more minutes that Green. I believe this is the outcome of design... the PG's job per Archie (I am assuming not quoting him) is to get back to the defensive end of the floor, not crash the offensive glass.

It was "a" specific grievance not "the" specific grievance.   And there because he's such a gifted athlete and playmaker.  Kids like that should be able to ball hawk better than he does.  Any improvement in Green's numbers has come in the last 2 games when he has admittedly been much better.   My problem with him has been the eyeball test, shot selection, and turnover rate.  

When I typed that, he was averaging over 5 turnovers per 40 minutes and shooting 33% from the floor.  He has been better the last 2 games and his numbers are a little better, but still has made some very careless plays which were something other than fundamentally sound.   He is a "playmaker" sometimes, but that comes at a price sometimes, too.

 

[Str8Hoosiers]

52 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

It was "a" specific grievance not "the" specific grievance.   And there because he's such a gifted athlete and playmaker.  Kids like that should be able to ball hawk better than he does.  Any improvement in Green's numbers has come in the last 2 games when he has admittedly been much better.   My problem with him has been the eyeball test, shot selection, and turnover rate.  

When I typed that, he was averaging over 5 turnovers per 40 minutes and shooting 33% from the floor.  He has been better the last 2 games and his numbers are a little better, but still has made some very careless plays which were something other than fundamentally sound.   He is a "playmaker" sometimes, but that comes at a price sometimes, too.

 

Understand, and like I said I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I just thought is was interesting and you are the one that got me thinking about it.

You said 221 minutes though and he currently has only 170 so I wasn't sure of the source of data. (Or my data could be wrong).

My question though is with his athletic ability you believe he should ball hawk better specifically on the offensive glass?  He is #2 in steals and #1 in steals per minute played so that confirms his ball hawk ability to me, I would assume especially by looking at the other PGs offensive rebounding numbers that they are told specifically to get back on defense and not go for the offensive rebound... would it be better if he had 1 offensive rebound per game but the opponent got even 1 additional fastbreak bucket per game because our PGs weren't getting back on defense?

He is still averaging just under 5 Turnovers per 40 minutes but his shooting appears to have gone up to 40%

[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

Understand, and like I said I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I just thought is was interesting and you are the one that got me thinking about it.

You said 221 minutes though and he currently has only 170 so I wasn't sure of the source of data. (Or my data could be wrong).

My question though is with his athletic ability you believe he should ball hawk better specifically on the offensive glass?  He is #2 in steals and #1 in steals per minute played so that confirms his ball hawk ability to me, I would assume especially by looking at the other PGs offensive rebounding numbers that they are told specifically to get back on defense and not go for the offensive rebound... would it be better if he had 1 offensive rebound per game but the opponent got even 1 additional fastbreak bucket per game because our PGs weren't getting back on defense?

He is still averaging just under 5 Turnovers per 40 minutes but his shooting appears to have gone up to 40%

Given what's happened today, I truly don't care about this anymore, but this is the link I used.  And I had calculated MPG x games Indiana had played, forgetting he had been out.  Mea culpa.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/devonte-green-1.html

 

 

[Str8Hoosiers]

About a month has gone by... here are the current Statistics:

Player	MIN	FGM	FGA	FTM	FTA	3PM	3PA	PTS	OFFR	DEFR	REB	AST	TO	STL	BLK
Romeo Langford	569	107	213	90	122	15	63	319	20	74	94	43	39	14	16
Juwan Morgan	499	116	186	32	54	17	41	281	40	93	133	39	35	17	24
Justin Smith	413	58	103	23	38	2	7	141	23	44	67	12	35	11	9
Aljami Durham	392	42	93	22	29	19	46	125	1	23	24	23	24	9	3
Rob Phinisee	356	33	75	12	18	13	30	91	2	34	36	45	21	13	2
Devonte Green	331	36	98	22	27	16	45	110	1	43	44	44	27	15	3
Evan Fitzner	235	24	55	10	15	10	26	68	7	39	46	9	8	6	3
Zach McRoberts	204	4	11	0	0	3	9	11	3	30	33	9	6	10	0
De'Ron Davis	152	24	38	14	26	0	0	62	8	19	27	6	15	7	8
Damezi Anderson	134	12	31	0	1	7	21	31	2	14	16	6	7	2	0
Clifton Moore	50	7	10	3	10	0	0	17	6	15	21	4	4	3	2
Jake Forrester	28	10	15	3	7	0	0	23	5	4	9	0	3	0	2
Johnny Jager	14	0	2	0	2	0	2	0	0	2	2	1	1	2	0
Vijay Blackmon	11	3	5	0	0	1	2	7	0	1	1	1	1	0	0
Quentin Taylor	8	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	3	0	1	1	0
Race Thompson	4	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals	3400	477	937	231	349	103	292	1288	118	438	556	242	227	110	72

Romeo - Top 3 in Every category except 3 pointers made (he would be 4th). Unfortunately that also includes Turnovers. He has the ball in his hands a lot of the time but he has to value it more.

Juwan - Top 3 in every category except 3 pointers attempted and assists. Again this includes turnovers. He also has the ball many times we would be a much better team if he could turn some of those turnovers into assists. He is the heart of the team in my opinion but sometimes he tries to do too much and misses the open man. I know the consensus is we don't have shooters but if just 1 time early in a game he got it low and kicked it out and somebody knocked down a shot I think that would open everything up the rest of the game. On the other side he seems to be knocking down the 3 consistently, when Romeo drives Juwan is the unexpected guy for the defense but if Romeo can find him for the kick out that could be big as well as he is hitting at 41%.

Justin Smith - He is our #3. He isn't 1st in any category but he is firmly in 3rd in most of them. Way too low of an assist number for somebody who plays the minutes he plays. He is not great at dribbling but a few dribbles to draw the defense and find the open guy instead of bulling to the basket to turn it over would be awesome!

Rob - Even after missing some games he leads us in assists, but Devonte is right even with him. (Rob has still played more minutes than Devonte). Rob has the best Ast/TO ratio on the team.

And here are a few things the Stats say that may be surprising to many....

Devonte is 2nd in Ast/TO Ratio wile having the 4th most turnovers on the team.

De'Ron Davis is very effective in the limited minutes he gets, 2nd in pts per minute played, 3rd in rebounds per minute.

Does Jake need to play more? In very limited minutes he is #1 in Scoring per Minute & #2 in Rebounds per Minute... however also #1 in turnovers per Minute...

Surprising to me about Fitzner is he is 6th in 3 point shots attempted... if that is his strength he should be willing to shoot. However I see him as doing nothing else and having extremely bad hands however that isn't exactly the case as he is #2 among those getting minutes in Rebounds per minute.

[Str8Hoosiers]

Player	MIN	FGM	FGA	FTM	FTA	3PM	3PA	PTS	OFFR	DEFR	REB	AST	TO	STL	BLK
Romeo Langford	649	116	245	97	135	15	71	344	28	80	108	47	45	15	16
Juwan Morgan	606	135	223	41	69	18	47	329	49	113	162	47	43	22	31
Justin Smith	516	71	131	27	48	4	15	173	29	59	88	14	41	12	10
Aljami Durham	483	49	112	31	43	21	54	150	2	32	34	31	27	10	4
Rob Phinisee	442	41	107	17	25	19	48	118	5	43	48	50	24	16	2
Devonte Green	345	37	100	22	27	16	45	112	1	45	46	45	30	15	5
Zach McRoberts	275	6	19	0	0	3	15	15	4	39	43	12	7	13	0
Evan Fitzner	254	26	62	10	15	10	31	72	8	40	48	9	9	6	4
De'Ron Davis	155	24	38	14	26	0	0	62	8	20	28	6	15	7	8
Damezi Anderson	152	12	34	0	1	7	23	31	2	15	17	6	9	2	0
Clifton Moore	56	7	11	3	10	0	0	17	6	17	23	4	4	3	3
Jake Forrester	30	10	15	3	7	0	0	23	5	4	9	0	4	0	3
Johnny Jager	14	0	2	0	2	0	2	0	0	2	2	1	1	2	0
Vijay Blackmon	11	3	5	0	0	1	2	7	0	1	1	1	1	0	0
Quentin Taylor	8	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	3	0	1	1	0
Race Thompson	4	1	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals	4000	538	1106	265	408	114	353	1455	147	513	660	273	261	124	86

 

3 more games in the books.... Phinisee back (86 minutes in 3 games), Devonte (14) & De'Ron (3) missing lots of time....

Romeo - Over the last 3 games has dropped to our 5th scorer... and 5th in minutes (lots of Foul Trouble). 0-8 from 3 only 9-32 overall shooting (28%) and struggling from the Free throw line again (7-13). 2nd most turnovers over this 3 game stretch and as he is our 2nd leading shot blocker has not registered a single block in 3 games.

Shooting Woes - We are shooting 36% in these last 3 games (61-169), 18% on 3s (11-61), and only 57% from the line (34-59). Morgan is shooting just over 50% and Justin just under 50% nobody else is hitting anything... and from 3 it is worse... Phinisee is hitting 33% (6-18), and nobody else is better than 25%... rest of team is 11% (5-43), with nobody else hitting more than 2 in 3 games.

Ball Control - We have more turnovers than assists in the last 3 games combined. (31-34). Durham, Phinisee, & McRoberts are the only guys with a + ratio.... Morgan is even and everybody else is -

SCARY POST.... :(