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[hoosierpatriot22]

Do the Hoosiers have to win the B1G tourney in order to make a regional? It seems that way at this point

[IUHoosierJoe]

9 hours ago, hoosierpatriot22 said:

Do the Hoosiers have to win the B1G tourney in order to make a regional? It seems that way at this point

At this point, they probably have to win their 8 remaining regular season games and do reasonably well in the B1G tournament, or win the B1G tournament.

[hoosierpatriot22]

1 hour ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

At this point, they probably have to win their 8 remaining regular season games and do reasonably well in the B1G tournament, or win the B1G tournament.

Sad. I’ve never seen such a talented roster that just flat out can’t pitch. Lots of wasted potential this season

[CSP]

14 minutes ago, hoosierpatriot22 said:

Sad. I’ve never seen such a talented roster that just flat out can’t pitch. Lots of wasted potential this season

They've played the majority of the season without their best arm... for a 2nd straight year. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, hoosierpatriot22 said:

Sad. I’ve never seen such a talented roster that just flat out can’t pitch. Lots of wasted potential this season

Several recent years have been frustrating but this year has been the worst.  Lots of promise wasted.  Try again next year hopefully with some seasoned pitchers. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Been  a long time but the Hoosiers pick up a series road sweep winning today's game 7-6 scoring the go ahead run in the top of the 9th.  8 hits in the game with Schuyler the only batter with multiple hits and it was his single in the 9th that scored the winning run.  He and Brenczewski each had 3 RBI.  5 Hoosier pitchers allowed 6 runs on 8 hits and walked 6 ACU batters.  ACU left 11 runners on base.

Hoosiers are off until next weekend when we host PUke.  Then the following Tuesday we play at Cincinnati and then the weekend of May 15-17, the regular season ends with a road trip to Ann Arbor.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

[CSP]

10 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Hoosiers (27-21) are in Cincinnati  tonight for a 6:00 game against the Bearcats (27-20) and 16-5 at home.  Televised on ESPN+

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That's next week brother

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

8 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

That's next week brother

Absolutely correct and for being the first person to catch that fact you win absolutely nothing.  Team is off until the weekend when they host PUke.

[dwtaylor1055]

with how atrocious our pitching has been this year, to make the big ten tourney call me shocked. 

[CSP]

57 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

with how atrocious our pitching has been this year, to make the big ten tourney call me shocked. 

huh? 

Not true, the hitting has been just as bad in key games that we have lost. 

[TheWatShot]

36 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

huh? 

Not true, the hitting has been just as bad in key games that we have lost. 

Our pitching staff is 13th in the conference in ERA. 

 

Our lineup is second in home runs, batting average, walks, on-base percentage and slugging percentage and #1 in RBI's and OPS. 

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Our pitching staff is 13th in the conference in ERA. 

 

Our lineup is second in home runs, batting average, walks, on-base percentage and slugging percentage and #1 in RBI's and OPS. 

I watch every game and every inning. There is a 1-run difference between 13th and 8th.... 

Talk to me about the Friday night vs ILL, Midweek vs UL, the entire series against UCLA, Friday night game against Iowa.... those are the games that decided our season. Hell, the midweek against Xavier, IN ST. 

[dwtaylor1055]

1 hour ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

huh? 

Not true, the hitting has been just as bad in key games that we have lost. 

fair BUT starting out the first part of year pitching woes far outweighed our bats.  scoring double digits and still losing 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

fair BUT starting out the first part of year pitching woes far outweighed our bats.  scoring double digits and still losing 

Well... the first two games of the year were pitched very well. 

I just don't think you guys watch enough college baseball.... It's an incredibly offensive game, literally, the SEC has pitchers every weekend that will get drafted and are getting rocked.... Has there been times the staff hasn't been good, yes, for sure.... losing Buhr and not having Vogel to start the year also really hurt. For sure been games the pitching got us beat.... USC game 3 comes to mind. 

I was wayyyy more upset with the pitching last year than this year. 

But, again, there have been some pretty hefty examples this year of the offense struggling in REALLY bad spots. @iowa, UL, @ILL were games we pitched VERY well and lost. 

Ultimately, when you're 48th in baseball spending, you get about 48th in the country results.... and that's what we've seen. 

[Aaron]

50 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Well... the first two games of the year were pitched very well. 

I just don't think you guys watch enough college baseball.... It's an incredibly offensive game, literally, the SEC has pitchers every weekend that will get drafted and are getting rocked.... Has there been times the staff hasn't been good, yes, for sure.... losing Buhr and not having Vogel to start the year also really hurt. For sure been games the pitching got us beat.... USC game 3 comes to mind. 

I was wayyyy more upset with the pitching last year than this year. 

But, again, there have been some pretty hefty examples this year of the offense struggling in REALLY bad spots. @iowa, UL, @ILL were games we pitched VERY well and lost. 

Ultimately, when you're 48th in baseball spending, you get about 48th in the country results.... and that's what we've seen. 

The pitching in totality is ok, not great. Its the inability to have even one reliable starter or ace that is the massive issue. If team had the same ERA but two reliable starters, you could live with this.

The issue with Glant and this pitching program is not the ERA. That could be better but the massive problem year in and year out is having to piece together every game 2-4 innings at a time and not having a go to person.

We can look at the ERA and eye test all we want (which could be better but isn't the big issue). The bottom line though is every other Big Ten team has at least two reliable weekend starters that go 5-6 innings at minimum every week. Meanwhile, IU is throwing everyone no more than 3-4 innings at most and cant get length or a steady rotation. This introduces far to many variables into winning and keeps team from having a fresh or reliable bullpen.

We can debate ERA and other numbers all we want which can be spun however one would like. However, what is inarguable is Glant and this current pitching program has completely failed at developing length which is a must to be successful in college baseball.

Every other pitching coach and program starts freshman with promise a few innings at a time and develops there length into solid starters. IU cannot get length from anyone currently for an entire season outside Luke Sinnard since Glant has been here (and not surprisingly this was best season since Glant has been here).

Offense has been hit or miss, ERA could be better, defense could be better. These are all issues every team faces and can be picked apart. The bottom line though is only IU's pitching program cannot develop pitchers to go the normal length as weekend starters. This is the bottom line difference between the Hoosiers and every other team (especially better ones), and until it is rectified we can pick apart other problems to death, but nothing will get better and win at a higher level until this fundamental issue that affects no one else is fixed.      

This has started since Glant has been here. He has other issues but it would all be fixable if he could find guys to be good for length and be starters. Since he seemingly can't someone else needs to try, especially since he is seemingly only one with this issue.

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Aaron said:

The pitching in totality is ok, not great. Its the inability to have even one reliable starter or ace that is the massive issue. If team had the same ERA but two reliable starters, you could live with this.

The issue with Glant and this pitching program is not the ERA. That could be better but the massive problem year in and year out is having to piece together every game 2-4 innings at a time and not having a go to person.

We can look at the ERA and eye test all we want (which could be better but isn't the big issue). The bottom line though is every other Big Ten team has at least two reliable weekend starters that go 5-6 innings at minimum every week. Meanwhile, IU is throwing everyone no more than 3-4 innings at most and cant get length. This introduces far to many variables into winning and keeps team from having a fresh or reliable bullpen.

We can debate ERA and other numbers all we want which can be spun however, one would like. However, what is inarguable is Glant and this current pitching program has completely failed at developing length which is a must to be successful in college baseball.

Every other pitching coach and program starts freshman with promise a few innings at a time and develops there length into solid starters. IU cannot get length from anyone currently for an entire season outside Luke Sinnard since Glant has been here (and not surprisingly this was best season since Glant has been here).

Offense has been hit or miss, ERA could be better, defense could be better. These are all issues every team faces and can be picked apart. The bottom line though is only IU's pitching program cannot develop pitchers to go the normal length as weekend starters. This is the bottom line difference between the Hoosiers and every other team (especially better ones), and until it is rectified we can pick apart other problems to death, but nothing will get better and win at a higher level until this fundamental issue that affects no one else is fixed.      

This has started since Glant has been here. He has other issues but it would all be fixable if he could find guys to be good for length and be starters. Since he seemingly can't someone else needs to try, especially since he is seemingly only one with this issue.

First sentence is for sure a good way to put it.... unfortunately we had that each of the last two years, other than injury. Friday night guy (Sinnard) to legit relievers in Vogel, Buhr this year. 

[Aaron]

17 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

First sentence is for sure a good way to put it.... unfortunately we had that each of the last two years, other than injury. Friday night guy (Sinnard) to legit relievers in Vogel, Buhr this year. 

Outside of Sinnard, no one has developed into a constant starter for an entire season and team spends half a year mixing and matching and maybe finding a guy or two down stretch.

This is why Dustin Glant's tenure has been an abject failure so far. Every other issue discussed is hit or miss on every team. The inability to find at least two decent starters to go 5-6 innings within a week or two of season starting is unique to IU since Glant has been here and affects no one else.

We can pick apart all aspects of program which are hit or miss. Bottom line though is there is one standout issue (length) since Glant has been here that affects no other team in conference or even nationally. Can't say if it is recruiting or incompetence on Glant's part.

What I can say is after four years of this same glaring issue outside Sinnard, its time for someone else to come in and run the pitching program. It is time see if someone else can fix something that is a very basic issue with length that affects no one else and has killed program. Clearly Glant doesn't have the answer or we would have seen it after four springs. 

Whether Mercer is the long term coach here rests on this. A program that cannot develop length with starters is a non-starter for maximum success and until this is addressed mediocrity will remain. Everything else will come and go as happens everywhere regardless of who is in charge and can be tweaked as needed.

Ability to develop length and starters though is non-negotiable and a basic of the game and it has been Glant's downfall since he came on board in 2022.          

Think of it as baseball's version of three point shooting with men's basketball. Other problems have existed. However, bottom line is programs inability to compete is due to not being able to shoot 3's which is a fundamental aspect of the game. Same with starting pitchers.

Both are seemingly only issues IU has. The three-point shooting or lack thereof has led to mediocrity and addressed with a new coach. Same thing with pitching needs to happen now.

[CSP]

11 minutes ago, Aaron said:

Outside of Sinnard, no one has developed into a constant starter for an entire season and team spends half a year mixing and matching and maybe finding a guy or two down stretch.

This is why Dustin Glant's tenure has been an abject failure so far. Every other issue discussed is hit or miss on every team. The inability to find at least two decent starters to go 5-6 innings within a week or two of season starting is unique to IU since Glant has been here and affects no one else.

We can pick apart all aspects of program which are hit or miss. Bottom line though is there is one standout issue (length) since Glant has been here that affects no other team in conference or even nationally. Can't say if it is recruiting or incompetence on Glant's part.

What I can say is after four years of this same glaring issue outside Sinnard, its time for someone else to come in and run the pitching program. It is time see if someone else can fix something that is a very basic issue with length that affects no one else and has killed program. Clearly Glant doesn't have the answer or we would have seen it after four springs. 

Whether Mercer is the long term coach here rests on this. A program that cannot develop length with starters is a non-starter for maximum success and until this is addressed mediocrity will remain. Everything else will come and go as happens everywhere regardless of who is in charge and can be tweaked as needed.

Ability to develop length and starters though is non-negotiable and a basic of the game and it has been Glant's downfall since he came on board in 2022.          

Think of it as baseball's version of three point shooting with men's basketball. Other problems have existed. However, bottom line is programs inability to compete is due to not being able to shoot 3's which is a fundamental aspect of the game. Same with starting pitchers.

Both are seemingly only issues IU has. The three-point shooting or lack thereof has led to mediocrity and addressed with a new coach. Same thing with pitching needs to happen now.

Foley absolutely developed. 

[Aaron]

3 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Foley absolutely developed. 

Fair, but it took half a season to figure out who to start that season along with Bothwell. Bottom line is in four years you have had 1.5 starters you have had in a weekend rotation (Sinnard, Foley) from get go you were confident is. Bottom line is that is not going to get it done and seemingly Glant is only one with this problem. Everyone else in 4 years would have 8 starters at minimum ready to go at beginning of a given season in that same time time period.  

Its the bottom line why program has somewhat struggled and is not sustainable to maintain winning. This is why Glant's tenure for most part has been failure. Its not ERA or eye test which is better than some and worse than others and OK which would cut it if he had eight starters ready to go in four years rather than 1.5. Bottom line.