IUFB Offseason Updates

[Crimson and Cream 5,825]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He put up pretty solid numbers his sophomore year despite sharing the job - 2500 yards and 21 touchdowns. Interceptions is the big difference between him and Lagow. Sudfeld threw 20 during his entire IU career, Lagow threw 17 last season. 

I had just went and looked up those stats only to see you'd beaten me to it

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah I'm hoping we run more and throw less this year. If he's slinging it 40+ times a game like he did several times last year then we could be in trouble. If we can get him to be a game manager that doesn't turn the ball over then we should be ok. 

That's exactly it. Turnovers lose you games. At the end of the day, he needs to turn the ball over a lot less. Needs to focus on making better reads and safer throws. Keep the offense on the field.

[Crimson and Cream 5,825]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Some of RL's picks last year were just terrible. No pressure and the ball just goes to the D like they were the target. That is a concern for sure with him. I just did not think it was fair to compare his one year to this idea that he can't be as good as Suds. It is not likely that his Sr year will match Suds' but we may not run that kind of offense anyway and if he protects the ball better we may not need mega numbers.

I remember going to the big win (at the time) against Sparty last year and being astounded at how constantly lost Lagow was at what play was supposed to be ran. So many timeouts had to be wasted because he came walking back to the sideline confused on what to do. Then of course like you mentioned the countless mind blowing passes nowhere near our guys and directly to the opposing teams. Him having a rocket arm means nothing if he can't control it.

[bhaggard89 869]

Some people in here seem like they are rooting for Lagow to fail. I hope he can throw together a great season and get a bowl win. Let's all be positive here. Being critical is good and all, but let's not seem like we want a kid to fail.


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,467]

15 minutes ago, bhaggard89 said:

Some people in here seem like they are rooting for Lagow to fail. I hope he can throw together a great season and get a bowl win. Let's all be positive here. Being critical is good and all, but let's not seem like we want a kid to fail.


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I don't hope that he'll fail, I just think that he will. If he proves me wrong I'll be thrilled. 

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[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,189]

I don't hope that he'll fail, I just think that he will. If he proves me wrong I'll be thrilled. 

Don't take 2-3 bad games as the gospel.

[lucel15 3,052]

I want Lagow to start. I want him to succeed. If people on here are wishing for failure from a 22-23 year old some of yall need to go get looked at cuz that's not right. I said what I said about Tronti becuase I was hear my things from btown and had watched videos on him and I like what I saw.... For the future of IU. Lagow makes some bad reads, he was lost in a complex complex playbook of the great offensive mind KW. However I've heard that other QBs struggled with it and sudfeld was really an amazing QB with great IQ and playbook understanding (he also had 4 years to learn it. Not 7-8 mths. Now on the interceptions....yes awful throws sometimes and bad reads....but I could counts a lot of dropped passes (increases accuracy numbers and yards, he still threw for over 3,000), WRs tipped a lot of balls which led to INTs. So to put everything on a 22 year old for hiccups during his first full D1 season...its basically like his freshman year in the big ten (big ten east). Just wondering was everyone on here up in arms when Matt LoVecchio couldn't hit a broad side of the barn or no becuase "we didn't have an improved defense like we have now".  If Ramsey beats him out then great for him and let's get to it. But if Lagow wins it I hope he proves a lot of you wrong.  Just saying there's been a lot of people on a lot of teams that have not performed here at IU and I get it he's the QB....but we had players and QBs throw INTs like Lagow....chappel had and awful junior year......It all has to do with the defense getting better at a rapid pace..... Yes they saved our butts on several occasions. My rant is over. 

[ThompsonHoosier 3,414]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ellison get plenty of minutes as a true freshman and probably be the starting RB next season.

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[ThompsonHoosier 3,414]

Lagow aiming to improve consistency in 2017

By: Mike Miller

Richard Lagow spent a chunk of his summer watching film.

Lots of it.

He wasn’t focusing on opponents, or necessarily trying to get a head start on game prep for the 2017 season. Rather, Lagow’s interest centered on one individual — himself.

“More than anything this offseason, I spent time studying my own tape, going over all my decisions that I made,” the Indiana quarterback said. “Not just the bad ones, not just the good ones, but every single throw. That’s what I’ve focused on the most.”

Statistically, Lagow was one of the Big Ten’s deepest passers in 2016. He was also one of the most mistake-prone. This fall, to achieve a level of consistency that eluded him at times during his first year with the Hoosiers, the former junior college transfer is relying on self evaluation — and a new offensive approach — to find more reliable results in 2017.

Lagow certainly has the arm to deliver.

He ranked second in the Big Ten last year in passing yards per game (258.6) and finished third in yards per completion (13.3) and completions per game (19.4).

While demonstrating the arm strength required of a Big Ten starting quarterback, Lagow also struggled with his accuracy and consistency, particularly when it came to hitting his target on shorter throws.

Though the biggest concern after his first 13 games as IU’s starter was his ball security, Lagow finished second-worst in the conference with 17 interceptions. So during the course of the spring and summer, one of Indiana’s top objectives was figuring out how to significantly reduce those costly turnovers.

“We had to go through and try to evaluate why there were so many interceptions,” IU coach Tom Allen said. “That’s just calling it what it is. That was an area he struggled with last year. So we just tried to go through and figure out what caused those.”

Upon review, Lagow says fundamentals weren’t the root cause. Instead, he points to his decision making — hence the deep dive into film review, which he says helped him better understand what kinds of plays and decisions are appropriate in different situations.

From his view, Allen wanted new coordinator Mike DeBord, who will run Indiana’s offense just as Allen runs IU’s defense, to create a more quarterback-friendly system. That means giving Lagow further input on the plays he’s comfortable running, consider his preferences and allowing him to slow down and get more reps when the quarterback feels it’s necessary.

“If the quarterback doesn’t like something, the offensive coordinator should be able to scrap it,” Lagow said. “Coach DeBord tells me all the time that he doesn’t like any play enough. He’s not married to any play. If I don’t like a play, he’ll throw it out the window. Forget it. I think Coach DeBord is doing an awesome job, and (quarterbacks coach Nick) Sheridan as well, of taking in my opinions and what I like, what I don’t like and moving from there.”

Allen also thinks that Lagow can benefit from hearing one voice deliver input, rather than hearing multiple coaching opinions come from several different directions.

“I think that helps,” Allen said. “That’s something that we’ve done with the current situation now that may be a little different from the past. I just think it’s hard to have a lot of different people in your ear, especially when it’s your first year somewhere.”

This will be Lagow’s final season at Indiana, and he’s determined to finish strong after an up-and-down introduction last year.

All the offseason studying he completed was a step towards that improvement. Once IU’s fall camp opens next week, Lagow will have his first opportunities to deliver more consistent results.

“He’s got to go out and do it,” Allen said. “I believe in him. Our team believes in him, but he’s got to go out and get it done. That’s what he knows he needs to do. That’s the next step.”

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,189]

I want Lagow to start. I want him to succeed. If people on here are wishing for failure from a 22-23 year old some of yall need to go get looked at cuz that's not right. I said what I said about Tronti becuase I was hear my things from btown and had watched videos on him and I like what I saw.... For the future of IU. Lagow makes some bad reads, he was lost in a complex complex playbook of the great offensive mind KW. However I've heard that other QBs struggled with it and sudfeld was really an amazing QB with great IQ and playbook understanding (he also had 4 years to learn it. Not 7-8 mths. Now on the interceptions....yes awful throws sometimes and bad reads....but I could counts a lot of dropped passes (increases accuracy numbers and yards, he still threw for over 3,000), WRs tipped a lot of balls which led to INTs. So to put everything on a 22 year old for hiccups during his first full D1 season...its basically like his freshman year in the big ten (big ten east). Just wondering was everyone on here up in arms when Matt LoVecchio couldn't hit a broad side of the barn or no becuase "we didn't have an improved defense like we have now".  If Ramsey beats him out then great for him and let's get to it. But if Lagow wins it I hope he proves a lot of you wrong.  Just saying there's been a lot of people on a lot of teams that have not performed here at IU and I get it he's the QB....but we had players and QBs throw INTs like Lagow....chappel had and awful junior year......It all has to do with the defense getting better at a rapid pace..... Yes they saved our butts on several occasions. My rant is over. 

Love it man. What have you heard about Tronti?

[lucel15 3,052]

1 hour ago, ThompsonHoosier said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ellison get plenty of minutes as a true freshman and probably be the starting RB next season.

Got to love a freshman who loves to work his you know what off. Don't see that a lot today

[lucel15 3,052]

30 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Love it man. What have you heard about Tronti?

I have heard that he has an amazing work ethic and really studies a lot. He's very athletic. I have family from around the area where Tronti is from and they all concur that he can be the real deal and could be a huge steal for us. My uncle who coached HS football has seen him play many times and says that if he makes reads like he did and hs and ups that just a tad he can do big things. He is non stop film work. Does a good job with progressions. 

[Josh 12,647]

I want Lagow to start. I want him to succeed. If people on here are wishing for failure from a 22-23 year old some of yall need to go get looked at cuz that's not right.

I have not seen a single person wishing failure on Lagow. Where have you?

[lucel15 3,052]

42 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

I have not seen a single person wishing failure on Lagow. Where have you?

 

Failure is not "keeping your job", and going back to last year when people wanted him yanked when he had one bad game. I'm not going back to find certain quotes.  I'm not saying people have used the word failure. Next time I will clarify some ensenuations have been along the failure line. People have been critical of a kid who was basically a freshman last year "playing wise" his first full year at a D1 school with a D1 playbook and wordage and they want him gone and not playing? Yes we have a QB battle this year maybe but from what Ive heard is that he has made strides and even has command of the team... Which I don't think he had last year. But yes sorry the word failure has not been used. Ensenuations have been there. Sorry didn't know we were being nit picky. I'll be more careful. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

1 minute ago, lucel15 said:

Failure is not "keeping your job", and going back to last year when people wanted him yanked when he had one bad game. I'm not going back to find certain quotes.  I'm not saying people have used the word failure. Next time I will clarify some ensenuations have been along the failure line. People have been critical of a kid who was basically a freshman last year "playing wise" his first full year at a D1 school with a D1 playbook and wordage and they want him gone and not playing? Yes we have a QB battle this year maybe but from what Ive heard is that he has made strides and even has command of the team... Which I don't think he had last year. But yes sorry the word failure has not been used. Ensenuations have been there. Sorry didn't know we were being nit picky. I'll be more careful. 

The criticism is fair during the season. He killed us in a lot of games when our defense held strong. He wasn't the only one though. Play calling by the coaches, a decline from the running game and losing Simmie hurt. However, I can remember a few games where he would just air it out and be incredibly late on throws resulting in INT's. Also, took forever to get the ball out resulting in too many sacks. However, I don't see anyone attacking him in the offseason other than just hoping there is an improvement. The leash won't be particularly long if one of these other kids isn't far behind RL. The defense is just too good to waste mediocre QB play. 

[Crimson and Cream 5,825]

4 minutes ago, lucel15 said:

Failure is not "keeping your job", and going back to last year when people wanted him yanked when he had one bad game. I'm not going back to find certain quotes.  I'm not saying people have used the word failure. Next time I will clarify some ensenuations have been along the failure line. People have been critical of a kid who was basically a freshman last year "playing wise" his first full year at a D1 school with a D1 playbook and wordage and they want him gone and not playing? Yes we have a QB battle this year maybe but from what Ive heard is that he has made strides and even has command of the team... Which I don't think he had last year. But yes sorry the word failure has not been used. Ensenuations have been there. Sorry didn't know we were being nit picky. I'll be more careful. 

People want the best QB out there on the field. What's wrong with that? 

[Josh 12,647]

Failure is not "keeping your job", and going back to last year when people wanted him yanked when he had one bad game. I'm not going back to find certain quotes.  I'm not saying people have used the word failure. Next time I will clarify some ensenuations have been along the failure line. People have been critical of a kid who was basically a freshman last year "playing wise" his first full year at a D1 school with a D1 playbook and wordage and they want him gone and not playing? Yes we have a QB battle this year maybe but from what Ive heard is that he has made strides and even has command of the team... Which I don't think he had last year. But yes sorry the word failure has not been used. Ensenuations have been there. Sorry didn't know we were being nit picky. I'll be more careful. 

It's not nit picking. There's a huge difference between wishes and expectations. I wish he'd have a great season and lead us to the CFP. I expect a season with many bad decisions and mistakes. I don't wish it on him by any means.

[lucel15 3,052]

3 minutes ago, Crimson and Cream said:

People want the best QB out there on the field. What's wrong with that? 

I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. Where have I said that I don't want the best QB out there?! Two pages ago I said practice and scrimmages will tell. There won't be a tie. From what I hear Lagow is still number one. That could change day one of camp....which I'm fine with. I get the criticism. And I'm not the only one who has said this but it seems like a lot of people put the offensive woes onto this kid who really had a lot of hype out of juco. Yeah okay there were some let downs, but again as others have said WRs dropped the ball, Wilsons play calling was asinine at sometimes and he def didn't have the run support like we all thought he would have last year. If Ramsey is better than Lagow then I'm all for it, but to say eh he was very inconsistent last year and made bone headed decisions....thats going to be a given. I'm excited for a QB battle we had no comp last year really and I loved what Zander brought mentally he just did not have the consistency....even tho I think when he threw the ball last year...he did impress me. I guess I should write something like why are we all so adamant on writing Lagow off after a single season aka first true D1 season. 

[lucel15 3,052]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

It's not nit picking. There's a huge difference between wishes and expectations. I wish he'd have a great season and lead us to the CFP. I expect a season with many bad decisions and mistakes. I don't wish it on him by any means.

 

Okay well then go ahead and expect that lol again this is a message board and I'm discussing my thoughts for this upcoming season. Just like you are. I'm just going off of what coaches are saying he's done and everything I've read about what he's done to improve from his not so stellar first year at IU.....