IUFB Offseason Updates

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  On 7/25/2017 at 7:41 PM, btownqb said:

Don't see that happening.

I really hope you're wrong. Lagow is way too inconsistent to lead us anywhere we want to be. At this point he is what he is, which is an average, inconsistent QB.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 7:45 PM, ThompsonHoosier said:

I know Andre Brown got injured last year and received a medical redshirt. He showed flashes of being good as a true freshman in 2015 but after some injuries I would have thought Riggins had the starting spot locked.

I figured so as well. Riggins looked very good last year. Apparently Brown has stepped up and/or Riggins isn't doing the necessary things to elevate his game. Whatever that may be.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 7:47 PM, VO5 said:

I really hope you're wrong. Lagow is way too inconsistent to lead us anywhere we want to be. At this point he is what he is, which is an average, inconsistent QB.

He's only had one season as a starting QB in D1?.. What do you mean "at this point" he's still improving. Plenty of his troubles were because of poor line play or wrong routes or not ultizing the TEs last year or the fact his best WR didn't play all last year. I'm not putting everything on him last year.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 7:45 PM, btownqb said:

That's not how football works. If it's a tie, it goes to the older guy. Don't think it'll be a tie though. Ramsey would be the only one with a chance to unseat Lagow.

That makes zero sense. If two players are equal why would you give it to the guy in his last year of eligibility over the guy with several years left?

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:04 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That makes zero sense. If two players are equal why would you give it to the guy in his last year of eligibility over the guy with several years left?

Have you ever coached older kids? Like HS or college?.. you're never going to give it to the younger kid, especially not at QB. More experience, more time in the offense, more relationships with the other players (particularly the WRs). If those two tie, Lagow will start.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:07 PM, btownqb said:

Have you ever coached older kids? Like HS or college?.. you're never going to give it to the younger kid, especially not at QB. More experience, more time in the offense, more relationships with the other players (particularly the WRs). If those two tie, Lagow will start.

That defies logic. Say Ramsey and Lagow can give us equal production. A "tie" implies that in spite of Lagow having more experience and better relationships with other players, the two would give you the same results. Lagow is a redshirt senior, he's done after this year. Ramsey is a redshirt freshman, he has three more years of eligibility after this year. In that scenario giving the reigns to Ramsey and giving him the game experience would provide invaluable experience for the next three years. 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:14 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That defies logic. Say Ramsey and Lagow can give us equal production. A "tie" implies that in spite of Lagow having more experience and better relationships with other players, the two would give you the same results. Lagow is a redshirt senior, he's done after this year. Ramsey is a redshirt freshman, he has three more years of eligibility after this year. In that scenario giving the reigns to Ramsey and giving him the game experience would provide invaluable experience for the next three years. 

I'm telling you.. if they tie it'll go to Lagow. It just doesn't set good precedent if ties go to the underclassmen. Now Ramsey comes into camp and owns RL.. as in no doubt he's the better player, then yeah, he'll start.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:18 PM, btownqb said:

I'm telling you.. if they tie it'll go to Lagow. It just doesn't set good precedent if ties go to the underclassmen. Now Ramsey comes into camp and owns RL.. as in no doubt he's the better player, then yeah, he'll start.

It doesn't set a bad precedent at all. It shows players that if they don't improve and separate themselves from the younger guys coming up behind them then they'll be replaced. 

Say you could see into the future and see that Ramsey and Lagow would both lead us to 6-6 records. How would playing the guy in his last season instead of the guy with three more years left benefit you at all? You'd still get the same result and you'd be taking valuable experience away from the guy coming back. 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:27 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It doesn't set a bad precedent at all. It shows players that if they don't improve and separate themselves from the younger guys coming up behind them then they'll be replaced. 
Say you could see into the future and see that Ramsey and Lagow would both lead us to 6-6 records. How would playing the guy in his last season instead of the guy with three more years left benefit you at all? You'd still get the same result and you'd be taking valuable experience away from the guy coming back. 

Again.. have you coached anywhere before?

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:28 PM, btownqb said:

Again.. have you coached anywhere before?

Nope. This doesn't require coaching experience, it's common sense and can be applied to a number of situations. If you're running a business and you have two guys of equal ability competing for a promotion you're going to give it to the one that'll be there longer.  

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:30 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Nope. This doesn't require coaching experience, it's common sense and can be applied to a number of situations. If you're running a business and you have two guys of equal ability competing for a promotion you're going to give it to the one that'll be there longer.  

It most certainly does. You would see things differently if you were a coach. It has nothing to do with common sense. Business is different than coaching.. similar, but different.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:32 PM, btownqb said:

It most certainly does. You would see things differently if you were a coach. It has nothing to do with common sense. Business is different than coaching.. similar, but different.

Enlighten me then. How would starting Lagow over Ramsey, if it'd give us the exact same result for this upcoming season, benefit the IU football program? The way I see it giving Ramsey the starting experience this year would help IU football the next several years. A season of starting experience would be much more beneficial for him than holding the clipboard would be. 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:37 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Enlighten me then. How would starting Lagow over Ramsey, if it'd give us the exact same result for this upcoming season, benefit the IU football program? The way I see it giving Ramsey the starting experience this year would help IU football the next several years. A season of starting experience would be much more beneficial for him than holding the clipboard would be. 

I've already stated why. Also, it's a little different dealing with the QB situation than the other positions. But yeah, tie goes to the upper classmen

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:28 PM, btownqb said:

Again.. have you coached anywhere before?

What does coaching have to do with anything. College and HS are completely different. I played college ball. It's not politics like HS and I did an undergrad of coaching in college....when I was told I can't play football or any contact sports again. So yes if you have coached at a politically charged and motivated school yes tie goes to senior. But rarely are there ties. Typically one stands out. And I don't see Tom Allen as the coach that says oh hey tie breaker goes to senior. Sorry Ramsey next year bud. 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:41 PM, btownqb said:

I've already stated why. Also, it's a little different dealing with the QB situation than the other positions. But yeah, tie goes to the upper classmen

Because it sets a "bad precedent"? You don't think the benefits of getting young guys experience would exceed the cost of the 'bad precedent'? 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:44 PM, lucel15 said:

What does coaching have to do with anything. College and HS are completely different. I played college ball. It's not politics like HS and I did an undergrad of coaching in college....when I was told I can't play football or any contact sports again. So yes if you have coached at a politically charged and motivated school yes tie goes to senior. But rarely are there ties. Typically one stands out. And I don't see Tom Allen as the coach that says oh hey tie breaker goes to senior. Sorry Ramsey next year bud. 

Pretty well said here.

If Lagow struggles and the staff thinks Ramsey is close he will get his shots here and there. The winner on the field will dictate where we end up. It's how it always works out.


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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:44 PM, lucel15 said:

What does coaching have to do with anything. College and HS are completely different. I played college ball. It's not politics like HS and I did an undergrad of coaching in college....when I was told I can't play football or any contact sports again. So yes if you have coached at a politically charged and motivated school yes tie goes to senior. But rarely are there ties. Typically one stands out. And I don't see Tom Allen as the coach that says oh hey tie breaker goes to senior. Sorry Ramsey next year bud. 

HS isn't politics either. I agree completely, rarely are there ties. Whem you're coaching you simply see things differently than outside observers. TA will do exactly that if there is a tie though. I have absolutely no idea where you're going with the politics thing... this would be the exact opposite of politics in sports.

But great point, this is all for not, they aren't going to tie.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:47 PM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Pretty well said here.

If Lagow struggles and the staff thinks Ramsey is close he will get his shots here and there. The winner on the field will dictate where we end up. It's how it always works out.


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I agree completely. It just has nothing to do with what I've been saying.

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:47 PM, btownqb said:

HS isn't politics either.

I have to laugh at this one. Yes, yes it is. 

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  On 7/25/2017 at 8:57 PM, VO5 said:

I have to laugh at this one. Yes, yes it is. 

Not where I coach...