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[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

On 1/11/2017 at 1:18 PM, BGleas said:

JBJ was the first option on the play, but it didn't work out, RoJo was the second option. 

Are you sure JB was the first option? If so that is the worst drawn up play ever.

At 2:12 of this video is the final play and I have watched it over and over trying to see what i missed when watching it live... And I still don't see it.

OG set a Down Screen for JBJ to go to the corner, with 5 seconds on the clock it would have been a very tough pass to handle and get up a good look or would have had to be multiple passes which we wouldn't have had time for... On the left side of the floor Morgan set a screen for ROJO to flair to the wing, which opened up a good look. Newkirk does look JBJ's way first but there is no chance that the play was drawn up to go to him, it was a look off to make the defense react. The final play (IN MY OPINION) was 100% drawn up for the look we got... and it was a good look.... but it wasn't the BEST.

Flip flop the play, have Rob flairing to the right wing = Better

Flip flop the players, have Rob head to the corner and JBJ flair to the wing... = Better

[BGleas 8,089]

7 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

Are you sure JB was the first option? If so that is the worst drawn up play ever.

At 2:12 of this video is the final play and I have watched it over and over trying to see what i missed when watching it live... And I still don't see it.

OG set a Down Screen for JBJ to go to the corner, with 5 seconds on the clock it would have been a very tough pass to handle and get up a good look or would have had to be multiple passes which we wouldn't have had time for... On the left side of the floor Morgan set a screen for ROJO to flair to the wing, which opened up a good look. Newkirk does look JBJ's way first but there is no chance that the play was drawn up to go to him, it was a look off to make the defense react. The final play (IN MY OPINION) was 100% drawn up for the look we got... and it was a good look.... but it wasn't the BEST.

Flip flop the play, have Rob flairing to the right wing = Better

Flip flop the players, have Rob head to the corner and JBJ flair to the wing... = Better

Yes, it was for JBJ. The first option was OG setting a flare screen for JBJ to flare to the corner for a 3. It's actually not a bad play, it was just poorly executed. JBJ and OG started the play too wide causing there to be no passing lane for Newkirk. If they had started the play closer to high elbow then Newkirk would have had a lane to get it there. 

When end that option was taken away they had the Morgan screen action for RoJo as the second option. It was actually a pretty good play, that got a fairly open 3, but JBJ and OG poorly executed the first option. 

[Hovadipo 58,767]

Yeah I think if Rob knocks that down, we're talking about how good of a play that was instead of how bad JB and OG fudged it up. It was a great look.


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35 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Yes, it was for JBJ. The first option was OG setting a flare screen for JBJ to flare to the corner for a 3. It's actually not a bad play, it was just poorly executed. JBJ and OG started the play too wide causing there to be no passing lane for Newkirk. If they had started the play closer to high elbow then Newkirk would have had a lane to get it there. 

When end that option was taken away they had the Morgan screen action for RoJo as the second option. It was actually a pretty good play, that got a fairly open 3, but JBJ and OG poorly executed the first option. 

In that case it is HORRIBLE execution because that screen was set not even close to the high elbow. And OG went directly to that spot immediately down the floor, so I can either put it on the players or believe they ran it exactly how it was drawn up and then that goes on Crean. I would like to see it ran correctly and see how it would look because it still seems like that is a hard pass to make, but if the spacing is totally different it may open up easily...

I still say the play should have been flipped to give us the best chance (Unless JBJ shoots much better from the right corner than the left and I don't know the stats on that).

Agree Hova - Had the shot gone in it wouldn't even be a discussion.... would be how great the play call was. And it did have a shot, it was a nice open look, just not from the right guy in the right place.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,533]

As is the case with most end of games. Should have never been in that situation. Had 3 straight turnovers starting with us up 2.

Then all of the sudden we are in the spot where we have to hit a huge shot just to force OT.

The play itself was fairly good. For Tom Crean teams, it was a phenomenal look. My issue is the previous 1:30.


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21 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

In that case it is HORRIBLE execution because that screen was set not even close to the high elbow. And OG went directly to that spot immediately down the floor, so I can either put it on the players or believe they ran it exactly how it was drawn up and then that goes on Crean. I would like to see it ran correctly and see how it would look because it still seems like that is a hard pass to make, but if the spacing is totally different it may open up easily...

I still say the play should have been flipped to give us the best chance (Unless JBJ shoots much better from the right corner than the left and I don't know the stats on that).

Agree Hova - Had the shot gone in it wouldn't even be a discussion.... would be how great the play call was. And it did have a shot, it was a nice open look, just not from the right guy in the right place.

It was clearly poor execution. The play itself was drawn up really well. I don't see what the play being flipped would have anything to do with it? They set the screen too wide, so it didn't work, and as someone else said we got a great look on the second option. How is RoJo the wrong guy in the wrong place? Our best 3-pt shooter was option one and it didn't work out, our second best 3-pt shooter was option two and got a great look. In that situation you can't ask for much more. The ball just didn't go in, it happens. 

Now if we want to discuss that we never should have even been in that situation to begin with, as Wayne said, then I fully agree and could come up with 100 reasons why that's Crean's fault. 

[Str8Hoosiers 2,965]

I get what you are saying. I am just talking about playing the percentages... It was pointed out that Rob is a better shooter from the Right wing than the left. If JBJ is the same from either then why not flip it to have the shooters in their most comfortable positions.

But I digress, I just don't believe that play could have been that poorly executed. But as said the last 1:30 was poorly executed so.....

[BGleas 8,089]

7 minutes ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

I get what you are saying. I am just talking about playing the percentages... It was pointed out that Rob is a better shooter from the Right wing than the left. If JBJ is the same from either then why not flip it to have the shooters in their most comfortable positions.

But I digress, I just don't believe that play could have been that poorly executed. But as said the last 1:30 was poorly executed so.....

Poor execution happens like that all the time. Guys don't wait long enough for screens, screeners leave too early, plays get too extended, etc. When there's real defense on you and it's a pressure situation you quite often go too fast and attention to detail slips. JBJ and OG for whatever reason (maybe the defense forced, maybe they were just going to fast) got too extended and it messed up that option. Happens all the time. We got a great look from RoJo and just missed. I actually think it was a really good play. 

But out as we've all agreed, never should have been in that spot in the first place. 

[BGleas 8,089]

Just watched the play a couple more times. JBJ and OG definitely set up WAY too extended, but doesn't look like the defense had anything to do with it. It was all OG and JBJ, that's just where they started. Too bad, was a good concept if executed correctly.