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Really hope I don't have to explain why that is such a skewed stat given the situation Crean walked into. There wasn't a coach out there who was going to take that roster to post season play

I'd settle for pre-rehab Shooter.

Until Crean is fired, our basketball seasons are going to resemble a badly scratched LP. He "plays" a coach, not so unlike Gene Hackman played a coach in the movie "Hoosiers". In fact, at this point, I'd take Gene Hackman's acting over Tom Crean's coaching.

Also, Bob Knight wrote a book on how to attack a zone. Might be useful.

When you win a championship you get a longer leash, and at least UK made the NIT.  We shouldn't be "rebuilding" at this point in Crean's tenure, and didn't even make a tournament field of 100.  Sadly every problem this team has can and should be placed squarely on Crean's shoulders.

Where's the Crean is a bad coach thread?  Oh, wait...think I found it. :popcorn:

They are trying to limit the amount of threads pertaining to Crean. Rather than having a large clutter of threads where everyone is basically repeating themselves over and over again

  Because having 3 simultaneous fire Crean threads is overkill?

It's "since" and that was a lousy joke to start a whole thread about. We get it, everyone hates Crean. Let's keep beating that dead horse all spring and summer

  Honestly, I couldn't bet on any coach to win a title over the next 10 years.  Including this year.  So much can happen.  My issues with Crean go beyond thinking he can or cannot win a title.  That is one of the most difficult things to ever speculate on.  I am a gambler at times.  I know that the highest odds you will ever see someone getting going into the tourney is around 20-25% after they have data backing up their team.  Even then, you see people going against them.  My issues with Crean come down to his team's value of the ball. Part of that is the offense and style we play in.  But, when you give up so many possessions a game, you are putting yourself behind the 8-ball without doing anything.  To me, I would have to take a serious look at what as a team we are trying to do.  

Congrats to Steve Alford  for winning the PacTen tournament and getting an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament in His 1st year there. This once again proves how stupid IU is for not hiring Him. Lets review, Head Coaches since Bob Knight: Mike Davis, Dan Dakich, Calvin Sampson and now Tom Crean. None of these guys compare to IU grad and National Champion STEVE ALFORD.

Thanks for making this thread, you beat me to it..    I'll copy what I said in another thread below:     The way I see it, Crean got Indiana out of the basement of college basketball. But is he capable of taking the team to the next level? His body of work says no. He is a program builder, at this point not an NCAA championship coach. How can you miss out on a field of SIXTY EIGHT teams... as Indiana? And a field of 32 in the NIT... thats asinine. If the boosters can pony up the cash to get him out, fine by me...   Thanks to Crean for fixing a mess and getting the program to a stage that it can be operable. I recognize his efforts but I also recognize his limits. His limit has been reached in Bloomington, its time to go get a stud coach. 

Yep, and had more success than Crean did before he got the UK gig.

[quote name="Chasejustus" post="48881" timestamp="1395021743"]Take a second and look at UK. They won the national championship and the next year they lost 1st round in the NIT. Now, they are looking to make a run in the tournament. When you lose key players (for us: Hulls, Zeller, Oladipo, and Watford), you go into a rebuilding stage. This rebuild wasn't as drastic as when Crean was first hired, but that's what it is. You can't expect a national championship one year after losing all of those players as well as having the second least experienced team in the B1G. Crean made mistakes this year, but let's be honest: who doesn't? There are coaches all over the nation that make mistakes year in and year out. Firing Crean would only hurt the program at this point in time. If there are consecutive seasons without production then find another guy that can run the show, but for now, let Crean do his best to rebuild. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote] The rebuild is over. Caliparis system is fraud as well. All his teams that made nice runs including the title team had senior leadership on them. Seniors leave you get results like last year and this year. No excuse why this team shouldn't have been a bubble team as the worst possible outcome.

Take a second and look at UK. They won the national championship and the next year they lost 1st round in the NIT. Now, they are looking to make a run in the tournament. When you lose key players (for us: Hulls, Zeller, Oladipo, and Watford), you go into a rebuilding stage. This rebuild wasn't as drastic as when Crean was first hired, but that's what it is. You can't expect a national championship one year after losing all of those players as well as having the second least experienced team in the B1G. Crean made mistakes this year, but let's be honest: who doesn't? There are coaches all over the nation that make mistakes year in and year out. Firing Crean would only hurt the program at this point in time. If there are consecutive seasons without production then find another guy that can run the show, but for now, let Crean do his best to rebuild. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I suggest a book written by Branch McCracken: Indiana Basketball. Crean could learn a lot.

Crean was a band aid. Time to pull it off. Do it now quickly. It hurts more if you drag it out. Rip it off.

Bad analogy or question on my part!  Can I have a mulligan?

Alford's track record is worse than Crean's.  He's never made it past the Sweet 16, at least Crean had that one Final Four that very well may have been a fluke.   If he knows IU's history he can't be serious.  It's not even possible to say Crean got us back to where we used to be, if he did we wouldn't be having the conversations of if he should be fired or not.

Time for my famous comments:   I haven't been happy with him, but he deserves one more year before him being fired should truly be an actual situation. Crean has been amazing for our program, and we should all be grateful for what he's done. However, I'm just as upset as anyone this year, and he has to prove himself more than ever next season. Another NCAA Tourney miss will most likely lead to his firing.   All in all, he deserves until the end of next season.

I wouldn't be upset if he went now, and I would understand if her were given another year. My frustration with Crean started last year this year was just the fruition of my concerns. Last years team had the players, the mixture of experience and youth and the Sweet 16 was the best it could do? No improvement from the year before with the personnel IU had was a failure! This year had promise, but totally disagreed with the pre-conference scheduling then no real improvement overall? This is IU, it is expected to be a contender EVERY year! If there is a coach available this year that would have the confidence of the University who wouldn't be available next year, fire him, if not stand pat until there is a plan! Unfortunately, I have become accustomed to disappointment,

One year could be a fluke. Three is a trend....   I have always believe you can't judge a coach until he establishes his style. I believe it takes 5 years to get the right recruits to run your system. I give Crean a pass until the UK game. He was rebuilding. A lot of those recruits were but weren't his. Now, they are all his. So, I give him 2 more years. Same ol' same ol', need to start to look elsewhere.   Two words of thought about firing a coach:   Firing a coach early in his tenure at your school shows a lack of stability. This can be use in negative recruiting.   Second , if you fire your coach, you better darn well know the next one can be better.     Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Contrary to popular belief I'd me amendable to firing Crean. If Crean seriously improved his in game coaching and I mean huge improvements I'd back off of it. Unfortunately he's done nothing to show me that'll ever happen. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app