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I tried to stay awake for it.

I know this isn't necessarily fair to Dorn, but I wonder what those shooting numbers are if you take out his 3-game heater? I also wonder what Harris can bring beyond. I'm not trying to hate on Dorn, but he did very little beyond streaky shooting. If Harris can defend better, has some handling or creating he can provide, etc., he could upgrade in other areas. I don't know if he can do those things, but from what I saw from Dorn he can't.

The only possible upside to Dorn that I saw was that he was out until October with his foot injury, so he didn’t get to develop his game and conditioning. The version we had kinda sucked.

Dorn at Indiana: .380 3FG% on 5.3 attempts per game (2 makes) Luke Goode at Indiana: .392 3FG% on 4.9 attempts per game (1.9 makes) Goode on Illinois's E8 team: .389 3FG% on 4.1 attempts per game (making 1.6) Harris will need to make about 2 3s a game for us if he is expected to be a shooter. On 1.9 attempts last year, he made .6 per game in 9.7mpg. Hopefully the extra playing time helps him.

Preseason projections and evaluations can be indicators. But no one really has a great handle on any rebuilt teams until well into a tougher part of the schedule. Except for maybe the coaches...after some practices. Right or wrong, last season got the short end of the stick for many reasons. Not much was satisfactory except for getting a coaching change and Lamar Wilkerson...and isolated glimpses of development and improvement. This new season we may have a really decent PG who stays healthy. Maybe. After that, we have upgraded size and gotten mostly experienced players that have more than one year of eligibility remaining. They have not played together. They have a new head coach in a new setting and new offensive and defensive schemes. As for talent...discuss that as you will. I won't. There's just too much preseason hype for me to get into anything other than rough comparisons. Too many other things are vitally important. We all know about effort, ballers, athletes, how smart they are, turnovers, team play, coaching, defense, shooting, assists, rebounding, health, locker room issues, youth, depth, B10 physicality, road trips, scheduling, one more scholarship...) Pleased that this team will get some serious practice and games preseason. Still trying to get my arms around the portal and $$$$$$ being thrown around. The season keeps getting longer. Travel distances greater. Preseason and practices expanded this year. I'm going to enjoy warmer weather and there is no hurry to get to the fall and winter sports. *When's tipoff?

It's interesting how we all see things differently. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong and HH or I am right. Who knows until it plays out. I agree with you that I was hoping we'd be able to add more proven pieces to the bench. I'm nervous we're going to have to rely on so many unproven pieces and and to varying degrees rely on 3 freshmen off the bench. We need another big and I also think another ball handler. I was hoping we'd be able to push Karvala and Manhertz down the depth chart with the last 2 additions. With all of that said, Nick Dorn is where we disagree. He was the returning player I wanted back least (outside of the two international guys from last year). I don't know what Harris will be, but I don't see how it can be worse than Dorn. Outside of his 3-game hot shooting streak, he was pretty awful. He's a terrible defender, doesn't handle or create offensively, really does very little outside very streaky spot-up shooting. Again, I have no idea what Harris will be, and can agree that I wonder what else we could have done with that NIL investment, but I don't see how Harris can be much worse than Dorn. Harris' ceiling is much higher IMO. Maybe Dorn will prove me wrong at Miami, but I wasn't too high on him last season.

I stand corrected. I might be thinking of some Kenpom numbers or something else someone posted. I generally find Torviks site pretty useful. Does anyone think we’ll have the 2nd most talented roster next year? Top 5?

Virginia pushes across a run in the bottom of the 8th to win 8-7 and we'll play Northern Kentucky at 5:30 today in an elimination game. We had just 5 hits but 3 were HR. Parker in the 1st, Goins in the 3rd and again in the 5th and Goins finished with 4 RBI. VA had 8 hits but we walked 8. Live Stats

With the state of Purdues NIL there’s no way they win a 5 star that a big boy actually wants. Feels like Lander for us

How did his index for this year play out? Was he on to something and can we have some reason for a better season

Just a note on how Illinois scored their 2 runs in the 10th: 2 walks and a hit batsman to load the bases with no outs. First run scored on a double play ground ball. Then a two-out wild pitch scored the second run. So Illinois scored 2 runs in the 10th without a hit or an RBI. Business as usual for IU.

This is interesting to see, but it has no relevance today. A coach today with IU resources can either identify and sign the right players or they can’t. Many can’t. I truly am pulling for DD because I do think he has it in him. This is a test of all tests and I hope he evolves and rises to the top.

Not because he’s perimeter oriented. Because in many games he just plain disappears. He’s apparently playing with some ball-dominant guards but still.

That doesn’t equate like it use to in this day of NIL. Cig showed us that.. not an excuse at an institution like Indiana anymore.

The Illini got on the board quickly. They scored 3 in the 1st inning off Connor Linn; added 1 in the 7th and 3 more in the 8th. 5 Hoosier pitchers held them to just 5 hits but walked 6 and hit 4 batters. And 4 of the 5 hits were for extra bases - 2 doubles and 2 HR. We entered the 9th trailing 7-3. Will Moore opened with a solo HR followed by a Cole Decker double. Cal Gates walked to put runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, but Aiden Stewart hit into a double play. A Ricketts walk put runners on 1st and 3rd and Hogan Denny blasted a 3-run HR to tie it up and send the game into extra innings. But Illinois scored 2 in the top of the 10th and we couldn't mount another rally. Final score 9-7. Season comes to a close tomorrow with the first pitch scheduled for 2:00.

Wonder what ius numbers look like compared to this

IU (82.6) is ranked #2 in Torvik's Projective Effective Talent ranking, right behind Duke (89.1). Projected Effective Talent is Torvik’s way of estimating the overall quality of a roster after accounting for more than just recruiting rankings. It factors in things like transfers, returning production, experience, and expected playing time to project how much talent will actually contribute on the court. A team can have highly ranked recruits, but if they are inexperienced or unlikely to play major roles, their effective talent rating may be lower. https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=

Followed by #360 overall, 20th this year

That's true. I think when they hired Jawan and Memphis hired Penny and they initially did well with their loose, player friendly environment, it looked like times had changed and you could have success with that approach. I believe that greased the skids for the Woody move. Neither of the previously mentioned names had hc experience or the connections with people such as World Wide Wes....and others. We should all think back to that time and be able to relax a bit right now.

? He’s the perfect floor spacer for a 2 big lineup and as a 5th scoring option. And probably costs half the money of Harris who hasn’t done anything in his career. The money used to acquire Mustaf and Harris ($2.5-$3m) could have been used to retain Dorn, added an actual playable big off the bench, and likely an older/experienced guard from a mid or low major to be an 8th-9th man. Samet Sherrell Dorn Lindsay Burton is still a really good starting 5 and a bench of Sisley Playable big Moody Veteran guard Karvala/Manhertz sure as hell beats whatever we’re going to trot off the bench this year. We’re an injury away from being worse than last year.

#359 tonight. Ties him with: Nolan Arenado (Active) Johnny Mize (HOF). Tied for 8th among active players.

Avery Parker doin' Avery Parker things. A first inning 2-run HR to dead center.

They were 8-24 before Dusty took over. That’s a worse spot than any IU coach this century has taken over.

In our bracket at Knoxville, #2 seed Tennessee defeated Northern Kentucky 3-1.