Can Crean stay in Bloomington?

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

Oh boy, this will be interesting...

I don't see how he holds his job. So much has to go right, going forward.

Post #2. This thread went about exactly like I thought. However due to the major changes that occurred over a 1 week span, it was actually a fair question.

[ou812dude 3,326]

Lately--this site does seem to turn into:  "I know you are---but what am I"? 

 

But hey--at the end of the day it's a great place to BRAG or MOAN about our favorite team!   IU!

exactly...

brag, moan, whale...err wail, begrudge, harp, *****, rail...

 

do what ya gotta do, but do it in Candy Stripes!

 

edit... my ***** is a word that rhymes with itch...

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Good point WayneFleek----IMO--especially due to the last week--- the percentages on opinions on Crean are changing for the negative:

 

I think 30%of the fanbase recognizes he has done a lot of good things for the program and feel that he should get at least 2-3 more years to prove himself.

 

I think 50% of the fanbase is ready for a change now----but 20% of that group is soft and can be won back by Crean with a tourney appearance this year.

 

However I think there is another 20% (that I am in) that gives Crean mixed reviews and feels like Crean should get this year to right the ship and that he is getting blamed for everything that goes wrong---even things he has no control over---and we are willing to give him a chance to make the tourney--but if he does not our 20% of the base joins the other 50% and then 70% will be calling for a change.

 

Just my thoughts from this Board and others and talking to other fans in Southern Indiana. 

 

For the record--I am still with him and hope he gets this thing turned around this year!

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

Good point WayneFleek----IMO--especially due to the last week--- the percentages on opinions on Crean are changing for the negative:

I think 30%of the fanbase recognizes he has done a lot of good things for the program and feel that he should get at least 2-3 more years to prove himself.

I think 50% of the fanbase is ready for a change now----but 20% of that group is soft and can be won back by Crean with a tourney appearance this year.

However I think there is another 20% (that I am in) that gives Crean mixed reviews and feels like Crean should get this year to right the ship and that he is getting blamed for everything that goes wrong---even things he has no control over---and we are willing to give him a chance to make the tourney--but if he does not our 20% of the base joins the other 50% and then 70% will be calling for a change.

Just my thoughts from this Board and others and talking to other fans in Southern Indiana.

For the record--I am still with him and hope he gets this thing turned around this year!

good breakdown. I think your percentage estimates are likely pretty accurate!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

One thing is for sure---almost everyone in Hoosier Nation is ticked off about the off and on court conduct and results from the last couple of years!  I think Crean and the Administration have heard that loud and clear and I hope the players have as well. For me--they have this season to do something about it!

 

Now we will see how they respond!

[Hovadipo 54,697]

exactly...
brag, moan, whale...err wail, begrudge, harp, *****, rail...

do what ya gotta do, but do it in Candy Stripes!

edit... my ***** is a word that rhymes with itch...

Niche?

[bronkonagurski 894]

I interact with quite a few IU basketball fans at my workplace and honestly, none of them are solidly behind Crean.  They have a lot of questions about his ability to get the job done.  Only maybe two of them are in full "fire the coach" mode though. 

[coonhounds 8,768]

I interact with quite a few IU basketball fans at my workplace and honestly, none of them are solidly behind Crean. They have a lot of questions about his ability to get the job done. Only maybe two of them are in full "fire the coach" mode though.

I live up around fortwayne and I have yet to find a crean fan up here. This board is the only place I can find them.

[FortWayneHoosier 5,882]

I live up around fortwayne and I have yet to find a crean fan up here. This board is the only place I can find them.

LOL! so true all of my family are anti crean, you go into any bar and spot someone thats an IU fan and the first thing they say is how much they are not fans of CTC

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

Agree, as a Fort Wayne-r, Crean is not too loved up here.  2012-2013 seasons, everyone was hype with IU and Crean.  I still can remember post UK win all the IU gear that people started sporting around Fort Wayne.  It was night and day.  That has tapered off.

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

One thing is for sure---almost everyone in Hoosier Nation is ticked off about the off and on court conduct and results from the last couple of years!  I think Crean and the Administration have heard that loud and clear and I hope the players have as well. For me--they have this season to do something about it!

 

Now we will see how they respond!

 

Good call, rebel. We can all get mad, angry, PO'ed, whatever, and then spend our time complaining and calling for change. As fans, it’s our right, and some would argue, our duty. However, now that the collective "we" have voiced our concerns and disappointments, and some are calling for Crean's head on a stake, let’s see what happens.

 

Changing coaches today (1) won’t happen and (2) will be devastating to the program at this point of the season. Let’s get behind these kids, and this staff and see if they are able and willing to respond. 

 

I still have my concerns about Crean's ability to coach without vastly superior talent, but I am convinced that he cares about this program and these kids. He’s, no doubt, more disappointed in the off court events as we all are. And maybe, just maybe, this will help him reach down and find whatever it will take to save his job.

 

As Norman Dale so famously said in Hoosiers, "my team is on the floor". 

 

Indiana, we’re all for you!

[bronkonagurski 894]

Agree, as a Fort Wayne-r, Crean is not too loved up here.  2012-2013 seasons, everyone was hype with IU and Crean.  I still can remember post UK win all the IU gear that people started sporting around Fort Wayne.  It was night and day.  That has tapered off.

 

Fort Wayne is taking over this board!  w00t!

 

It was funny though, look I have always wore my gear and openly talked about IU hoops at work but suddenly that season, boy a ton of people I never knew were IU fans were talking to me suddenly.  Heck even the parking garage attendant would hit up on the way in because I have IU plates.  lol

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

for sure bronko, it was nice to be back in the state and national limelight.  Don't care much for the fair weather fans, but its a force of nature and they come out of the woodwork. 

 

I had the same experiences.  Like I've said before, I FELT like the only IU fan during the start of Crean's tenure.  I kept saying, wait and see, wait and see, and when if finally happened in 2012 it was a great feeling.

 

As 8bucks said in another thread, it is all about momentum as a program and ours has trended down for a year and a half.  It must change now if Crean has any hope.  1 big recruit is a fast way to do that, otherwise, the slow way is with on the court results.

[Hoosiers96 912]

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2014/11/10/burning-questions-kentucky-indiana-acc
Seth Davis on Tom Crean

[Hoosiers96 912]

3. How bad will it get at Indiana?

It has been a rough couple of weeks for Tom Crean. On Nov. 1, his sophomore forward, Devin Davis, suffered a serious brain injury when he was struck by a car driven by another player, freshman forward Emmitt Holt. It was later revealed that Holt, who is underage, had been drinking, although his blood-alcohol content was well below the legal limit. A few days later, news leaked that two other IU players, Stanford Robinson and Troy Williams, would be suspended the first two regular season games for failing drug tests. This comes just a few months after Robinson and two other starters were cited for alcohol-related offenses. So if you’re keeping score – and I know you are – that’s five out of 13 scholarship players who have run afoul of the law this year.

Even though Indiana athletic director Fred Glass gave Crean an unambiguous public vote of confidence, speculation has run rampant that Crean will soon be out of a job. And yet, if you add up all those offenses, it still does not equal all the screwups that Jameis Winston has committed by himself. So how come I don’t hear anyone calling for Jimbo Fisher to lose his job?

The answer is obvious: Florida State’s football team is winning big, and Indiana’s basketball team isn’t. Crean’s Cody Zeller-Victor Oladipo crew went to back-to-back Sweet 16s, but Indiana did not make the postseason last year, and then the Hoosiers lost freshman forward Noah Vonleh to the NBA. Crean’s good-but-not-great freshman class includes two top-50 recruits, and he has not procured a single verbal commitment from a senior currently ranked by Rivals.com in the top 100, though it is still early on that front.

In the short term, I don’t believe Crean is in any real jeopardy. Just two years ago, the school signed him to a contract extension that doesn’t end until 2020. If Indiana were to fire Crean after this season, it would have to pay him a buyout $12 million. A year from now, that drops to $7.5 million, which is still a hefty number. And while I certainly do not condone the behavior of his players, I also have a hard time buying the argument that a college coach should get the axe because his players drank alcohol when he wasn’t around.

Still, these narratives have a way of gathering their own momentum. Crean knows better than anyone what he needs to do to forestall it. As the saying goes, winning is the best deodorant. Until things get better on the court, the smell wafting around this program is going to be unpleasant.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

..............The answer is obvious: Florida State’s football team is winning big, and Indiana’s basketball team isn’t. Crean’s Cody Zeller-Victor Oladipo crew went to back-to-back Sweet 16s, but Indiana did not make the postseason last year, and then the Hoosiers lost freshman forward Noah Vonleh to the NBA. Crean’s good-but-not-great freshman class includes two top-50 recruits, and he has not procured a single verbal commitment from a senior currently ranked by Rivals.com in the top 100, though it is still early on that front.

This is the part that concerns me most. MOMENTUM

[Hoosiers96 912]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/25-questions-that-will-shape-the-college-basketball-season-110914
Crean also mentioned at #11

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,769]

From posted article above:

Here’s one more problem: His team isn’t going to be very good. Four players from last season transferred out of the program. That team’s star, Noah Vonleh, was one-and-done and off to the NBA, and Will Sheehey graduated. One well-connected source at a Big Ten school told me that, combined with the ill will he’s generated over the years from his, ahem, “prickly” personality, there’s no way Crean recovers from the current storm and will be gone after missing another NCAA tournament this season.

The "prickly" "ill will" personality remark backs up my claims from last week. Just thought this was worth highlighting since I received a bunch of disagreements when I claimed this previously. Food for thought.

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

From posted article above:

Here’s one more problem: His team isn’t going to be very good. Four players from last season transferred out of the program. That team’s star, Noah Vonleh, was one-and-done and off to the NBA, and Will Sheehey graduated. One well-connected source at a Big Ten school told me that, combined with the ill will he’s generated over the years from his, ahem, “prickly” personality, there’s no way Crean recovers from the current storm and will be gone after missing another NCAA tournament this season.

The "prickly" "ill will" personality remark backs up my claims from last week. Just thought this was worth highlighting since I received a bunch of disagreements when I claimed this previously. Food for thought.

 

He wouldn’t be the first former IU coach to have a personality that could be described as "prickly" or "ill-will"ed.

 

When that "other" coach was winning consistently, some of the "faux pas" could/would slide. When they stopped winning, well, those issues became the story. 

 

Hopefully that’s not the end story for the current Hoosier coach.

[djsalway 4,161]

From posted article above:

Here’s one more problem: His team isn’t going to be very good. Four players from last season transferred out of the program. That team’s star, Noah Vonleh, was one-and-done and off to the NBA, and Will Sheehey graduated. One well-connected source at a Big Ten school told me that, combined with the ill will he’s generated over the years from his, ahem, “prickly” personality, there’s no way Crean recovers from the current storm and will be gone after missing another NCAA tournament this season.

The "prickly" "ill will" personality remark backs up my claims from last week. Just thought this was worth highlighting since I received a bunch of disagreements when I claimed this previously. Food for thought.

Wait... Noah was our star player last year?