IUWBB at Northwestern - Sunday, 1/8/23 @ 3:00 on B1G+

[Todd41]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

Free? You still have to have a cable subscription. 

But.. were those games not just on the regular P12N to begin with? Like wasn't that their regular programming? 

I do not have cable nor Pac 12.  Just went online and watched it.

[Aaron]

3 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

I'm sorry but this does not fly. They are a top 5- 10 team in the nation representing the  Big ten. Maybe not on cable but fans shouldn't have to pay extra for that caliber of a team.  You can even show that game for free on an online platform.  With a program still young but thriving the profit potential for IU is much more beneficial (donations, NIL purchases, showing recruits our relevancy) to have our games easily accesable.  The SEC network did this with the South Carolina teams early on and that specific program is constant and thriving. I want long term stability and not showcasing our team gives us a hit.    

All Big Ten teams have some games on BTN+ on women's side. IU is actually tied with the other top teams for the fewest BTN+ games and they are all against the bottom feeders. IU is being treated no differently than Ohio State, Maryland, or any other top team in the conference despite our fans mentality that the Big Ten is out to screw and bury IU from TV.

You can take issue with the model the Big Ten uses, but other conferences do the same for all sports but football and basketball. The Big East uses that awful FloTV that is even more expensive. The ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 use ESPN+ which requires the exact same subscription as BTN+. They do use ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 Extra for some games as part of your cable package to stream online but that is because they have far fewer games on their main network than BTN does. They still have a bunch on a streaming service no different than BTN+ with FLoTV and ESPN+.

Also, South Carolina which was cited has several games on ESPN+ during conference play as well. IU is no different than any other top team or Big Ten team. Whether all women's games should be televised like the men are is a whole different issue worth discussing but IU has it no different than anyone under this current model.

[Banksyrules]

40 minutes ago, Aaron said:

All Big Ten teams have some games on BTN+ on women's side. IU is actually tied with the other top teams for the fewest BTN+ games and they are all against the bottom feeders. IU is being treated no differently than Ohio State, Maryland, or any other top team in the conference despite our fans mentality that the Big Ten is out to screw and bury IU from TV.

You can take issue with the model the Big Ten uses, but other conferences do the same for all sports but football and basketball. The Big East uses that awful FloTV that is even more expensive. The ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 use ESPN+ which requires the exact same subscription as BTN+. They do use ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 Extra for some games as part of your cable package to stream online but that is because they have far fewer games on their main network than BTN does. They still have a bunch on a streaming service no different than BTN+ with FLoTV and ESPN+.

Also, South Carolina which was cited has several games on ESPN+ during conference play as well. IU is no different than any other top team or Big Ten team. Whether all women's games should be televised like the men are is a whole different issue worth discussing but IU has it no different than anyone under this current model.

ESPN+ offers way more than just big ten sports though. Hockey, international football.  The Big ten itself has to showcase it's sports in a much better fashion.  but sure be content with mediocrity.  

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

ESPN+ offers way more than just big ten sports though. Hockey, international football.  The Big ten itself has to showcase it's sports in a much better fashion.  

Well.. that is true, mostly... but that is also a little bit of a different discussion than this, right? 

[Aaron]

9 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

ESPN+ offers way more than just big ten sports though. Hockey, international football.  The Big ten itself has to showcase it's sports in a much better fashion.  but sure be content with mediocrity.  

That is true that ESPN+ offers way more. It costs the same $9.99 though. Blame the Big Ten for going with Fox for BTN instead of ESPN like the other conferences did. 

You can certainly take issue with the Big Ten going with Fox Sports instead of ESPN but that is why they are part of BTN+ instead of ESPN+. Fox Sports has no streaming service for games (Fox Sports Live simulcasts games on cable and they have no stream specific platform for exclusively streamed games) hence why BTN+ was created.
 

IU is stuck with the Big Ten TV deal being part of the Big Ten. They can either take the extra money the Big Ten offers them for being part of the conference which pays out way more than the other conferences, or go join a new conference for slightly less money to continue to be part of the ESPN platform.   

[Banksyrules]

Just now, btownqb said:

Well.. that is true, mostly... but that is also a little bit of a different discussion than this, right? 

Not really. Working for UNC,  DUKE I can see why they bring much more revenue than us even though it's a much smaller school.  There's  the National TV deals. and merchandise sales, but just as equal is private donations through fans.  Through this they're able to support women's field hockey , Lacrosse (both men and women). Their number one rule make it all accessible to their alumni because no matter what sport it is. Everyone supports a winner. accessibility should be number one 

[Aaron]

7 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Not really. Working for UNC,  DUKE I can see why they bring much more revenue than us even though it's a much smaller school.  There's  the National TV deals. and merchandise sales, but just as equal is private donations through fans.  Through this they're able to support women's field hockey , Lacrosse (both men and women). Their number one rule make it all accessible to their alumni because no matter what sport it is. Everyone supports a winner. accessibility should be number one 

Unless Duke and UNC are buying their alum ESPN+ subscriptions for $9.99 a month their alum have to fork over the same amount of money and way to watch theses sports as IU and Big Ten fans (it's just you are paying for ESPN+ instead of BTN+ which as you said ESPN+ has more content). 

Also the ACC deal pays schools way less than the Big Ten deal at the moment. 

Lastly, Fred Glass for all his faults (and he had many) had a 24 sports/1 team mentality. This is exactly why the non-revenue sports improved so greatly under him and are finally good. If a coach failed in any sport they were out and he paid attention to all of them. He didn't always make the right hires when doing it (although he nailed some) but any sport that didn't produce results had their coach canned all the way down to field hockey even. For example Mike Freitag almost ruined soccer. Glass got rid of him immediately. Felisha Legette-Jack is terrible coach at women's basketball. Gone very quickly when she stopped winning. Contrast that to Purdue who let Sharon Versyp sit there for 15 years and rot an elite program in a way most (and especially Glass) would not tolerate. 

Their is a reason IU's sports outside of football and men's basketball are at their best point in history and it is because Glass took them so seriously at the expense sometimes of football and men's basketball.