Parakeet Jones

No, Trey is being asked to do entirely too much offensively. For two reasons 1. Our coaching staff failed to find enough shooters/scorers around TG, to allow TG to do the things that make him great on a court 2. XJ got hurt 

Probably the worst sign for the program would be Galloway transferring.  Losing a guy who committed to the Archie, never entered the portal despite not knowing who the new coach would be and stayed committed after Woodson was hired and who has always been 100% Indiana would be very, very telling.
I know that there is a lot of people who say that Galloway isn't a starter on a good power five team, but the bigger issue to me is that he has been put into a role where he is asked to do things that are too heavy of a load.

TJ Otzelberger 

A few random thoughts:
1) I don't get the concern with Pearl's age. Yes you would ideally hire a guy who's going to be around for 20 years,  but 6-8 is all you can realistically expect. Hell, 8 years ago was 3 coaching staffs ago here. He'll give you 6-8 barring something unforeseen.  And he can win a championship here.
2) Nothing new here, but my biggest concern with retaining Woodson is that there are multiple problems he has to fix in one off-season. The problem is both (i) not enough talent and (ii) maximizing the talent he does have. IU needs better players, but even with this roster the team should be performing better. You can convince yourself one of those issues can be fixed in an off-season,  but both is a stretch.
3) While Pearl, Oats, or May may well prevail, any coaching search that doesn't seriously kick the tires on TJ Otzelberger is missing the boat...

Sounds like we’re starting from scratch next year regardless. Better to do it with a coach who has more than a few years left (and a coach who didn’t put us in this mess in the first place). 

When national media guys have endorsed moving on from you, you're done. Vitale is the ultimate bootlicker for college basketball coaches. Even the ones who acted like we gave Crean and Miller a raw deal are seeing the light on this one. 

That says top 80. The thing is, Woodson doesn't seem to care unless they're top 30. So he goes for highly ranked guys and doesn't have a backup when he misses. Also, most of those were spring decommitments from other schools (quick recruitment) so his numbers for a normal recruitment are even worse. 

The problem is it’s not about this year.  We where bound to be down — every team has a down year.  The problem is NEXT YEAR.  One signed recruit.  He is failing to build a core.   

We were 8-6 with X.  I doubt it would be much different.

My post was NOT that we should keep Woodson/sticking up for Woodson in any way. 
But holy s*** man, we won 2 B1G titles in 4 years, 3 Sw16s in 5 years ----as a fan does anyone just enjoy anything, it wasn't THAT bad? Rooting for us to lose at the end of Crean? Idk hard for me to respect that mindset, at all. 
6 of the last 7 years have been so abundantly worse than Crean. Sans last season. 

So maybe Fife was right?
 
Incoming.  :)

This can’t be over soon enough. 

This can’t be over soon enough. 

I will always be a Tom Crean fan.  He loved IU and loved Bloomington.  He and his family were very visible/active in the community.  I heard he fought hard to keep his job and challenged for one more year.  Things were going bad but I think he should have got that one more year.

To be honest--- there are plenty of IU fans who owe apologies to Tom Crean. 
Also-- if another person's mannerisms bother you, grow up. 

And critically Hulls was playing injured, as in badly, in that game against Cuse. He couldn't shoot his 3's, we couldn't pull / break the zone by mixing outside shots and hitting Cody in the middle. That's the kind of thing that just gets overlooked, but it was key to our inability to break that zone (yes, Crean struggled against it, but the players could have broken it with a healthy Hulls).
IMO Crean was and remains undervalued. Yes, he was bizarre on the sideline, a punchline waiting to happen, and his in-game acumen was often questionable -- and he clearly couldn't succeed elsewhere w/o the level of players he brought to IU -- but
- he won us B1G championships and in strong B1G years 
- he brought us multiple players that we all loved and who will go down in IU history as some of the best we've had, Yogi, Vic, Cody, Hulls, Wat, OG, Bryant etc. What we wouldn't give to have a Yogi-Hulls-Wat-Vic team now.
- he brought us multiple SW16's. Didn't get beyond that, at least in part due to circumstances that just happen, but we beat UK on one of those runs.
- Our offense, sometimes wacky with the dribble-hand-off action, repeatedly scored at the top of DI, the D was often a mess, but man how I miss seeing our guys score the damn ball like that.
- Got us that unforgettable W over UK, the Wat shot, leaving chicken Cal refusing to play at IU thereafter....
So sure he couldn't maintain and lost the level of recruiting he needed to succeed at IU, lost the HS coaches, gave schollys to guys who had no business playing for IU or any school at that level, and the U wanted to  actually get "back" to competing at the top of DI, for NCAA championships, and Crean had fallen off, most agree it was time to move on.
But man, talk about screwing the pooch -- we then replace him Miller???? That was a horrible, horrible and stupid move.
I would love to see the level of guys and conference success with NCAA runs we had under Crean. We had teams who were championship level, imo, finding that guy who can bring those kind of players and run deep regularly, difficult.

These are guys who I see being back next year.
Galloway
Reneau
Cupps
Sparks 
Newton
McNeely -recruit

I don’t think he should be fired after year 3 but would LOVE it if he chose to walk away.  I’m so sick of him taking credit after wins and throwing his team under the bus after losses, not to mention playing the injury card every chance he gets.
CMW loves him some CMW.

I would hope that if things continue to go downhill, people are respectful of Woody even when frustrated. He doesn't deserve to be harassed. What happened with Davis and Crean was downright wrong and immature even if the teams were not playing the way we wanted.

What's funny is when you see what people describe what they want IU basketball to be, they essentially describe Crean's time here, yet people hated him for it. Fun, entertaining basketball, making tournaments, winning big ten titles. Crean with the portal and NIL would've been fun to watch.

Yes. I see your question has already been answered, but I didn’t want to just blow you off since you asked me directly. 

Why are they playing the first exhibition game at the exact same time the Colts are playing?

Andrae Patterson. He was never consistent after hurting his knee against Kansas. Great moments, but not consistently as great as I believe he could have been. I always thought he seemed permanently tentative after his injury. 

Andrae Patterson. He was never consistent after hurting his knee against Kansas. Great moments, but not consistently as great as I believe he could have been. I always thought he seemed permanently tentative after his injury. 

Andrae Patterson. He was never consistent after hurting his knee against Kansas. Great moments, but not consistently as great as I believe he could have been. I always thought he seemed permanently tentative after his injury.