Analysis: IU-Rutgers ... Well, that was interesting

[Uspshoosier 45,156]

It is so hard for me to watch this team play defense. We make mediocre and bad players look like great players. Then on the offensive end---the end that we are suppose to be so great at mind you--we are careless with the ball and never run any of our great shooters off of screens to get open looks. It's all ball screens and dribbling. What happened to smart, fundamentally sound basketball? That's what IU's tradition is built on and it's what we need to get back too.

you or me might not like the offense that is ran but it's still top 10 in adjusted offensive efficiency(not saying I like it but numbers do)

[Bittersince87 209]

you or me might not like the offense that is ran but it's still top 10 in adjusted offensive efficiency(not saying I like it but numbers do)

Those numbers are inflated because of the horrid competition we played..... Happy new year!

[Uspshoosier 45,156]

Those numbers are inflated because of the horrid competition we played..... Happy new year!

then so are everyone's numbers. Happy new year

[yogisballin 2,297]

Interesting, indeed.

The reality? I have - and I'm sure I'm not alone - reached the point of absolute apathy. I don't care if Indiana wins or loses because either is okay with me right now.

I watch this team play, and I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy zero strategy. Zero game plan. Zero "anything different than any other time Indiana plays." I don't enjoy listening to our coach try to sell.....whoever that we just beat a good team. I don't enjoy his passive-aggressive defending of himself the way he has for 8 years. He doesn't coach. He installs a style, and it's good enough most of the time against bad teams, and not good enough most of the time against quality teams. Been that way the entirety of his tenure at Indiana except when he had two top 5 NBA draft picks and several experienced role players on the roster. Kind of like....Marquette. (Okay, they only had one top 5, but also two additional NBA guys in the starting lineup) Groundhog Day includes a repeat of a tenure at another university!!

I don't enjoy watching Yogi Ferrell - a senior - take bad shot after bad shot and play like turnovers AND bad shots don't matter. A senior had 6 turnovers against the worst team in the Big Ten. Our starting back court had 11. When Ryan Burton has more points in a game than Thomas Bryant and Robert Johnson combined...that's a problem. A sign of very bad things and a team disengaged.

We still absolutely suck at the free throw line. 65% ain't gonna' cut it.

Troy Williams had more turnovers than field goal attempts. (7 to 6) And played 29 minutes with basically 3 other starters out of the game or not engaged in the game. Whu...? Why!?! He was 2-5 from the FT line. This is a kid who thinks he's a lottery pick? He COULD be...which is really sad. Where's the fight, Troy? Where's the "I'm carrying this team" mentality. 7 turnovers in 29 minutes?? My God...

The worst part? Our Big Ten schedule is so soft, we're STILL going to win 13 games and STILL going to make this coach look good.

Groundhog Day. Yes, indeed. Groundhog Day. Nothing changes. We win if we make shots, lose if we don't, and make bad teams look decent because we can't guard. Wash, rinse, repeat. This is what you get when you have a coach who's not a good x and o guy. Who's not a game planner. Who doesn't make adjustments. Who never makes any real changes other than switching defenses every now and then. (or sometimes too often) This is not Groundhog Day. This is what Indiana Basketball looks like. We don't have a roster full of smart players. We have a few, but mostly kids with athletic ability, some ball skills, and no real basketball IQ. I was impressed with Morgan. He knows where to be. He seems to understand positioning. He loses focus, but I think he gets it. Bielfelt gets it. Burton does. But Williams? No clue. Yogi? No clue. Bryant? Out of position today more often than he was IN position.

Thank God (I guess) that team missed 10 layups. We're 1-0 in the Big Ten. I'm supposed to be happy, right? I'm afraid Groundhog Day is here to stay as long as we have a coach who isn't a strategist. When the system works, it works. When it doesn't...it doesn't. That was true in 2009 and it's true now. Happy February 2nd.

I agree with most of what you say but 13 wins? No way! I know our conference schedule is extremely soft here but still we don't sniff 13. That's how bad we are. I've been the biggest yogi fan until the middle part of last season. Im getting sick and tired of seeing yogi, JBJ or Troy throw the ball to the other team and not make an effort to get back. Just kinda light jog it back. I really think our lineup is without him. I'd probably start the next few games with..

RoJo
Hartman
Morgan
Anunoby
Bielfeldt
I don't care if we lose by 20 or more. I honestly think I like watching the 2008-09 team more. At least this lineup would go down with some effort!!

[jhoosier 49]

you or me might not like the offense that is ran but it's still top 10 in adjusted offensive efficiency(not saying I like it but numbers do)

You are correct. I just get frustrated with quick contested 3's and unforced turnovers. They make my blood boil. Two of my biggest pet peeves when I did a little coaching. Don't get me started on matador defense....

[Old Friend 8,389]

I agree with most of what you say but 13 wins? No way! I know our conference schedule is extremely soft here but still we don't sniff 13. That's how bad we are. I've been the biggest yogi fan until the middle part of last season. Im getting sick and tired of seeing yogi, JBJ or Troy throw the ball to the other team and not make an effort to get back. Just kinda light jog it back. I really think our lineup is without him. I'd probably start the next few games with..

RoJo
Hartman
Morgan
Anunoby
Bielfeldt
I don't care if we lose by 20 or more. I honestly think I like watching the 2008-09 team more. At least this lineup would go down with some effort!!

You could very well be right, but The Big Ten is not very good and our schedule is really easy comparatively.  We could win 13 or we could win 9 or 10.  Neither would surprise me.

 

For the sake of the discussion..

 

Rutgers is 1

at Nebraska

Wisconsin at home

Illinois at home

Northwestern at home

Minnesota at home

at Penn State

Nebraska at home

at illinois

 

Those are the ones I'd say we "should" win.That's 9.  We may be able to get 4 more.  Maybe. Or not.   

[Uspshoosier 45,156]

You could very well be right, but The Big Ten is not very good and our schedule is really easy comparatively. We could win 13 or we could win 9 or 10. Neither would surprise me.

For the sake of the discussion..

Rutgers is 1
at Nebraska
Wisconsin at home
Illinois at home
Northwestern at home
Minnesota at home
at Penn State
Nebraska at home
at illinois

Those are the ones I'd say we "should" win.That's 9. We may be able to get 4 more. Maybe. Or not.

i would add at Minnesota to that list as well. We will be favored in that game. Minnesota is 6-7 and have lost to South Dakota, South Dakota state, and Milwaukee all at home

[mdn82 25,510]

You could very well be right, but The Big Ten is not very good and our schedule is really easy comparatively. We could win 13 or we could win 9 or 10. Neither would surprise me.

For the sake of the discussion..

Rutgers is 1
at Nebraska
Wisconsin at home
Illinois at home
Northwestern at home
Minnesota at home
at Penn State
Nebraska at home
at illinois

Those are the ones I'd say we "should" win.That's 9. We may be able to get 4 more. Maybe. Or not.

Honestly 12 is what I expect or he should be gone. Be careful. I was told I wasn't being realistic with that. Our schedule lines up too good for a 9 or 10 win year.

[Stuhoo 79,751]

Honestly 12 is what I expect or he should be gone. Be careful. I was told I wasn't being realistic with that. Our schedule lines up too good for a 9 or 10 win year.

 

I would expect us to finally win enough this year to get IUBB into the top 25.

 

Not sure what kind of B1G record will do that, but that's what it takes in my mind, at a bare minimum.

[AKHoosier 6,739]

If you look at Crean's Marquette teams, I think he averaged 22 wins and 9 or 10 losses per year.

 

That's how I see this year going.  Despite the talent we have, we'll go 12-6 in conference to finish 22-9 in the regular season.

 

We'll win 1 in the BTT then get bounced, then win a tournament game and get bounced to finish 24-11.

 

Would that be enough to bring him back?  I would say probably not, but who knows. 

[BlueDevil 8,655]

If you look at Crean's Marquette teams, I think he averaged 22 wins and 9 or 10 losses per year.

That's how I see this year going. Despite the talent we have, we'll go 12-6 in conference to finish 22-9 in the regular season.

We'll win 1 in the BTT then get bounced, then win a tournament game and get bounced to finish 24-11.

Would that be enough to bring him back? I would say probably not, but who knows.

Not many would agree and neither would I but I think 24-11 would be just enough to bring Tom back for yet another year if he wants it.