College Bball Thread

[Southside]

36 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

So, the NCAA said it's okay to throw a punch... as long as you wear a mask.

That's funny ****

[IU - Kaulie]

48 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Being in the wrong and talking **** as you walk past someone is the instigation. Can’t do that

you dont get to hit and run

Howard never broke stride.  Didn’t even look at him.  Think what you want about the blow by but everything changes when Gard stopped him in his tracks and put his hands on him.

[monskisprodigy]

8 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Howard never broke stride.  Didn’t even look at him.  Think what you want about the blow by but everything changes when Gard stopped him in his tracks and put his hands on him.

Watched and read throughout the day yesterday...this whole thing is just sad. These are men, on both sides, being paid millions of dollars to be leaders, mentors and role models to these young men. How can you preach rising above in difficult situations when you cant even do it your darn self. 

I am in agreement with you that Gard should not have touched Howard, even if he was trying to explain himself after the comment Howard made. Gard should have let it go, kept it moving and also "remembered that" the next time they met. I'm sure there will also be discipline for Gard for the contact, and there should be.

I think the issue is that this isn't Howard's first time in a situation like this. Additionally, after the initial altercation, Howard didn't even punch Gard. Gard had backed away, Howard was being held back, and then took an enraged swing at a separate UW Assistant. Some have claimed that the assistant who was hit put his hands on a Michigan player unprovoked. If someone has an angle of that would love to see it, and if this occurred, that assistant also needs to face stiff discipline, and even termination if warranted. 

Will also say...UW assistants running in to the skirmish talking crap, the UW assistant doing the "suck it" sign after the dust up to the UM side (WWE Style)...it is all so darn childish. If anyone on this board did even half of what occurred in our own workplaces, we would have our papers and be packing our cardboard boxes. 

[MikeRoberts]

8 hours ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Howard never broke stride.  Didn’t even look at him.  Think what you want about the blow by but everything changes when Gard stopped him in his tracks and put his hands on him.

It started well before that as has been pointed out. Him swearing at Gard was an escalation no? So your walking out of class and someone swears at you and keeps walking, do you not ask “wtf was that about’”

words matter

and speaking of words matter, he and his big mouth have now led to 3 altercations with opposing coaches and schools in the last year. There is a pattern there.

[IUHoosierJoe]

8 hours ago, Southside said:

The league, and the nation, hell the world for that matters, is way too sanitized. 

Not trying to say violence isn't bad or solves things. What I am saying is that people are both good and bad, and both.... and life overall is grey and always will be despite what utopian ideas you might by in to. 

Human nature.... flaws. And punches lol.... 

Funny how many people sing that tune until they’re the one that gets punched.  Then the song always changes.

[Chris007]

First off it was a bush-league timeout by Gard. Your up 15 who cares if they're pressing, their not going to score 15 in 15 seconds. Teach the walk-ons how to break the press in the next 5 minutes of practice.

Howard was going to blow by Gard, He said I'll remember that next year (so what), but then Gard puts his hands-on Howard. Howard clearly says twice Don't touch me. 1 game suspension for Gard right there. 

Howard IMO should get a 3-5 game suspension for doing his part. Wisconsin assistants 1 game for their roles, maybe 2 for the one who his hands-on Michigan players to escalate all of this. 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Which timeout upset Juwan Howard more?

a)  Greg Gard's

b)  Chris Webber's

[HoosierInParadise]

First off it was a bush-league timeout by Gard. Your up 15 who cares if they're pressing, their not going to score 15 in 15 seconds. Teach the walk-ons how to break the press in the next 5 minutes of practice.
Howard was going to blow by Gard, He said I'll remember that next year (so what), but then Gard puts his hands-on Howard. Howard clearly says twice Don't touch me. 1 game suspension for Gard right there. 
Howard IMO should get a 3-5 game suspension for doing his part. Wisconsin assistants 1 game for their roles, maybe 2 for the one who his hands-on Michigan players to escalate all of this. 
What is sad to me is most people's thoughts are to automatically fire Howard and not say anything about Gard. It's so typical of society these days. The big black coach is mean and has anger issues. The white coach was kind and wanted to talk to the other coach. 

Had Howard stopped when it was broken up with Gard no one would be calling for him to be fired. He didn't...so people are saying it's a pattern with him and he should be fired. I haven't seen anyone bring up the race narrative you just mentioned. Why make it about race when it's not?

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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, mbredenk101 said:

Had Howard stopped when it was broken up with Gard no one would be calling for him to be fired. He didn't...so people are saying it's a pattern with him and he should be fired. I haven't seen anyone bring up the race narrative you just mentioned. Why make it about race when it's not?

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Because if roles were reversed no one would be saying anything about Gard. It's always about race. Black people have been treated differently in this country for the last 200 years.

[monskisprodigy]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

First off it was a bush-league timeout by Gard. Your up 15 who cares if they're pressing, their not going to score 15 in 15 seconds. Teach the walk-ons how to break the press in the next 5 minutes of practice.

Howard was going to blow by Gard, He said I'll remember that next year (so what), but then Gard puts his hands-on Howard. Howard clearly says twice Don't touch me. 1 game suspension for Gard right there. 

Howard IMO should get a 3-5 game suspension for doing his part. Wisconsin assistants 1 game for their roles, maybe 2 for the one who his hands-on Michigan players to escalate all of this. 

What is sad to me is most people's thoughts are to automatically fire Howard and not say anything about Gard. It's so typical of society these days. The big black coach is mean and has anger issues. The white coach was kind and wanted to talk to the other coach. 

Honestly, if there is an angle of a UW Coach putting his hands on an opposing player...I'm not sure a 1-2 game suspension is enough. You cannot touch or hit other people, especially not a student athlete from an opposing school. I don't care about the circumstance. 

Being overlooked in all of this also is the players who threw punches. Both teams going to be without some guys for several games likely. Critical seeding and tournament implications. 

If the Big Ten wants to send a message, they would hit each teams coaches and players with some meaningful suspensions. Interested to see what happens. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

First off it was a bush-league timeout by Gard. Your up 15 who cares if they're pressing, their not going to score 15 in 15 seconds. Teach the walk-ons how to break the press in the next 5 minutes of practice.

Howard was going to blow by Gard, He said I'll remember that next year (so what), but then Gard puts his hands-on Howard. Howard clearly says twice Don't touch me. 1 game suspension for Gard right there. 

Howard IMO should get a 3-5 game suspension for doing his part. Wisconsin assistants 1 game for their roles, maybe 2 for the one who his hands-on Michigan players to escalate all of this. 

What is sad to me is most people's thoughts are to automatically fire Howard and not say anything about Gard. It's so typical of society these days. The big black coach is mean and has anger issues. The white coach was kind and wanted to talk to the other coach. 

This is not about race though.  If Gard did the "strike" it would be reversed.  I think people are debating Gard's role in all of this.  He's not 100% innocent at all.  He did grab his elbow and stop him.  I'm not sure how to score that violation.  If no "strikes" were thrown, the reaction would be significantly less.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, monskisprodigy said:

Honestly, if there is an angle of a UW Coach putting his hands on an opposing player...I'm not sure a 1-2 game suspension is enough. You cannot touch or hit other people, especially not a student athlete from an opposing school. I don't care about the circumstance. 

Being overlooked in all of this also is the players who threw punches. Both teams going to be without some guys for quite some time. Critical seeding and tournament implications. 

If the Big Ten wants to send a message, they would hit each teams coaches and players with some meaningful suspensions. Interested to see what happens. 

Also, do away with the handshake lines. This isn't youth sports. It's a highly competitive game and emotions run high, no reason for shaking hands

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

This is not about race though.  If Gard did the "strike" it would be reversed.  I think people are debating Gard's role in all of this.  He's not 100% innocent at all.  He did grab his elbow and stop him.  I'm not sure how to score that violation.  If no "strikes" were thrown, the reaction would be significantly less.

Agree to disagree. I've live it and see it every day 

[HoosierHoops1]

14 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Funny how many people sing that tune until they’re the one that gets punched.  Then the song always changes.

I got sucker-punched by a Colorado state football player, (there were 3 of them and me) I went back to work and finished my shift, then got my 9 stitches. My tune didn't change and no one was told who it was who punched me or that there was an incident.

[IUHoosierJoe]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Because if roles were reversed no one would be saying anything about Gard. It's always about race. Black people have been treated differently in this country for the last 200 years.

I’m the first one to stand up against racial injustice, but you’re wrong on this one.  Further, making something about race when it isn’t diminishes the work that I and others do on real racial issues.  People refuse to listen to the important issues when you falsely make something like this about race.

[HoosierInParadise]

So did my post get deleted because I didn't agree with a race narrative someone else created? Wow...someone else also didn't agree with this yet their post stays.

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[HoosierHoops1]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Because if roles were reversed no one would be saying anything about Gard. It's always about race. Black people have been treated differently in this country for the last 200 years.

If Gard threw the punch, I think people would feel the same way about a punishment, and they would most certainly say something.

[monskisprodigy]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Also, do away with the handshake lines. This isn't youth sports. It's a highly competitive game and emotions run high, no reason for shaking hands

I have no issue with this. Waive, say thanks, walk off the floor. With all of the trash talking, gesturing (too small, guns after hitting threes, strong arm flex on and 1's, etc.), I'm surprised this doesn't happen more.  Physical battles with a lot of disrespect occurs on the court during those 40 minutes, and emotions can, and often do, continue to run high after the clock stops...which bleeds into the hand shake line.

I didn't realize people were so attached to the handshake line until reading comments on the twitterverse yesterday. 

[HoosierInParadise]

So did my post get deleted because I didn't agree with a race narrative someone else created? Wow...someone else also didn't agree with this yet their post stays.

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Nevermind...maybe my phone didn't refresh correctly. Sorry.

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[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

So did my post get deleted because I didn't agree with a race narrative someone else created? Wow...someone else also didn't agree with this yet their post stays.

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Agree…posts have been unhidden.

I think we are trying to not let things escalate so that no one throws any ill advised punches on this board.

So, while those posts are unhidden, let’s remember that this is the college basketball thread and keep any posts about the Michigan Wisconsin incident related to what happened during their college basketball game.

Thanks