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This happen to them earlier in the year or last year I can’t remember which one. They were up 30 and A kid stole the ball and dunked it and proceeded to jaw the whole way back down the court. It was a low major team so some just said it was ok for him to have his moment playing at Kansas. I’m sure you could find stories written about. Guess Kansas didn’t want it to happen again.

 

 

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I remember seeing that on twitter back when it happened. There was a small 'you play until the end' contingent on Twitter, but most people seemed to think it was a crappy move. His post-dunk antics definitely didn't help. Interesting that it happened to Kansas again in the same season. 

 

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So I didn't see it. Was Kansas just trying to run the clock out or were they trying to score? To me, that makes the difference. If they are running a play and trying to score, then stealing the ball is fair game. If they are just dribbling the ball until the clock runs out, that's a pretty low class move.
None of what the KState kid did warrants someone standing over him and taunting him which led to the brawl. Should the kid have done done it? Probably not, but the ensuing crap after the block is unwarranted from both sides

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5 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

None of what the KState kid did warrants someone standing over him and taunting him which led to the brawl. Should the kid have done done it? Probably not, but the ensuing crap after the block is unwarranted from both sides

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Eh I don't completely agree. Not taunting to that extent, but if you do something douchey like that then I don't have a problem with someone doing something douchey like taunting back after you get your shot pitched. Standing over him was too far though. 

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It's just an unspoken thing. There's 6 seconds left, the other team has the ball, and you're down a million points. Just shake each other's hands, do whatever, and walk off the court. 

One created by babies. Play to the horn. When you’re up 22, you’ve embarrassed the team enough. No need to taunt. Probably why De Sousa doesn’t play anyways.


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The whole 'I was disrespected, I have to retaliate' culture needs to change. That mentality leads to a lot of bad things. Stealing the ball for a score when the other team is just trying to run out the clock is bad form, and frankly, looks silly. However, it deserved an 'eye roll' at most, definitely not a brawl.

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1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


One created by babies. Play to the horn. When you’re up 22, you’ve embarrassed the team enough. No need to taunt. Probably why De Sousa doesn’t play anyways.


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6 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


KState player had every right to steal it. Kansas should have just let them score unless they had bets on the game.


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Which is it. Play until the horn or just let them score. ****, you're nothing but hot takes 

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Which is it. Play until the horn or just let them score. ****, you're nothing but hot takes 

At that point as a KU player you just let it go. It was a 1 or 2 point game. It was a 22 point game. It it’s not changing the outcome then let it go and let that kid feel good for scoring because you just destroyed his team. As for the kid that stole it, do it next time too if you can if you’re down 20. Okay to the horn but the KU players should have just said whatever and let it go. Because the points were meaningless. Instead De Sousa just adds to the joke of a collegiate career he’s had.


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6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


At that point as a KU player you just let it go. It was a 1 or 2 point game. It was a 22 point game. It it’s not changing the outcome then let it go and let that kid feel good for scoring because you just destroyed his team. As for the kid that stole it, do it next time too if you can if you’re down 20. Okay to the horn but the KU players should have just said whatever and let it go. Because the points were meaningless. Instead De Sousa just adds to the joke of a collegiate career he’s had.


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That logic makes absolutely zero sense. You even acknowledge yourself that the points are meaningless, so why does the KSU player steal the ball to score them? KU tried being respectful and running out the clock, but KSU wanted to be classless and steal the ball so they kept playing too. 

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:


One created by babies. Play to the horn. When you’re up 22, you’ve embarrassed the team enough. No need to taunt. Probably why De Sousa doesn’t play anyways.


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You can't say "play to the horn" in one post and then say that Kansas should've just let them score in another post. "Play to the horn" doesn't just apply to one side.

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2 hours ago, cthomas said:

The whole 'I was disrespected, I have to retaliate' culture needs to change. That mentality leads to a lot of bad things. Stealing the ball for a score when the other team is just trying to run out the clock is bad form, and frankly, looks silly. However, it deserved an 'eye roll' at most, definitely not a brawl.

This ^

How big of a clown would that KState kid have looked stealing the ball, making a layup, and jogging back down the court just before the buzzer during a 20 point beat down? The last-word would have been the numbers on the scoreboard. 

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Eh I don't completely agree. Not taunting to that extent, but if you do something douchey like that then I don't have a problem with someone doing something douchey like taunting back after you get your shot pitched. Standing over him was too far though. 

Had he blocked it and then went back down the floor talking smack I don’t think anyone would have blamed him. That’s fair game. But in no situation can you stand over a guy like that and not expect retaliation. That was where the line was crossed.


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4 minutes ago, hoosierdogg said:

What line was crossed when he grabbed the stool?  The point of no return?  If he had flung that stool into someone, he'd have likely spent the night in a cell.  

That's quite the tricky situation.  The law says you can't point a gun at someone but what does it say about another weapon?  It goes back to the culture of the team.  Do you see this happening at a place like Dook?  Would a team like UVa be caught up in this?  I just see this as an implication of how Kansas has run their program for many years now.  If you have control over your team things like this don't occur.  If you go all willy nilly with what rules you enforce and what rules you kind of overlook you get things like this. 

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You can't say "play to the horn" in one post and then say that Kansas should've just let them score in another post. "Play to the horn" doesn't just apply to one side.

The logic makes perfect sense. There is in fact a double standard. If you’re getting beat 22 you can either accept defeat and watch or accept and score another basket for sh!ts and giggles. KSU player chose the second route. I don’t care that De Sousa blocked it. He played 5 minutes last night so was probably trying to impress with a block along with being mad about the steal. But at that point he should have either let or go. Or blocked it and let the game end. He didn’t do either of those. The KSU player did nothing wrong unless you think that’s a legitimate “unwritten rule.” De Sousa didn’t do anything wrong until after the block. But he should have just let it go and let the kid have his 2 points and move on.


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22 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

That's quite the tricky situation.  The law says you can't point a gun at someone but what does it say about another weapon?  It goes back to the culture of the team.  Do you see this happening at a place like Dook?  Would a team like UVa be caught up in this?  I just see this as an implication of how Kansas has run their program for many years now.  If you have control over your team things like this don't occur.  If you go all willy nilly with what rules you enforce and what rules you kind of overlook you get things like this. 

I'm not the official BTB legal analyst here but any object that can be considered to cause major physical harm when used by a person could be assault/battery with a deadly weapon. It would be tough to have a stool be comparable to a gun or a knife but it would be up to the DA's office in Lawrence to determine what damage a stool would do esp. in  the hands of a person the size and strength of de Sousa.

To lighten this up, here's the melee voiced by JR.

 

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How much of a threat is Duquesne to Dayton really? Both 5-0 in the A10. Dayton is 16-2 with losses to Kansas and Colorado. Duquesne is 15-2 with losses to UAB and took a butt kicking from Marshall. But I guess crazy things can happen. They won’t be an at large but anything can happen at conference tourney time.


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