College Bball Thread

[Uspshoosier 44,997]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea that's not a good enough reason when you're dead last in your own conference. You're just back up what I've said a 1000x before. Losses don't matter. The heavy reliance on Quad wins is an absolute joke. 

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

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7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

Losses to good teams matter. It's a loss. A loss is a loss. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

19 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Losses still matter.  If they had a bunch  losses to terrible teams then that would probably have them out of the picture 

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

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3 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

[Uspshoosier 44,997]

7 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You say losses still matter yet they have 7 Quad 1 losses and 0-2 against Quad 2. So they 7-9 against the top 2 tiers. And STILL 3-9 in conference. But objectivity and common sense never wins out when comes to the NCAA. 

Sounds like a resume that at this point would be a tournament team.    7-9 against the top 2 Quads great compared to a lot of teams especially on the bubble.  Not every team can be 1 and 2 seeds.    36 at-large teams have to be selected.    Not all of them are going to have protected seed resumes 

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13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

Nah they like money too much. It's just a fact that teams under .500 don't perform in the tourney and there is a reason. Except Cuse. 

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10 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Nah they like money too much. It's just a fact that teams under .500 don't perform in the tourney and there is a reason. Except Cuse. 

We have talked about it many times that the set up for the ncaa tournament is set up for the high majors.   Mid-majors are and have always been in a disadvantage.   It is what it is.     I would have no problem if the selection committee decided the conference record mattered as long as the schedules were balanced until then I don’t and won’t worry about it when I’m projected the field.    
Pretty much at the beginning of this you really didn’t want me to answer the question that you asked and that you already  knew the answer to but you just wanted to respond to it to show how much you disagree with the current setup.    

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23 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Call them  and show them the light.   Suggest you method of selection and maybe they will think about switching it up.  

Doing my own system I am starting to see that there are going to be issues with any.  I'm not a fan of a team like Iowa State racking up so many in conference losses and getting in, but my system still has them in as an 11 seed. Can't just write off their unbeaten non-conference schedule when they beat three Pom top 50 and another in the top 70.

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37 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

We have talked about it many times that the set up for the ncaa tournament is set up for the high majors.   Mid-majors are and have always been in a disadvantage.   It is what it is.     I would have no problem if the selection committee decided the conference record mattered as long as the schedules were balanced until then I don’t and won’t worry about it when I’m projected the field.    
Pretty much at the beginning of this you really didn’t want me to answer the question that you asked and that you already  knew the answer to but you just wanted to respond to it to show how much you disagree with the current setup.    

Big 12 conference schedules are as balanced as you can possibly make them. 

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38 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Doing my own system I am starting to see that there are going to be issues with any.  I'm not a fan of a team like Iowa State racking up so many in conference losses and getting in, but my system still has them in as an 11 seed. Can't just write off their unbeaten non-conference schedule when they beat three Pom top 50 and another in the top 70.

The best Iowa State can now do is .500 in conference and that is if they win out. They are at TCU tonight, who they lost to at home then it's Oklahoma, WVU, at KSU who they just lost to at home, Oklahoma State and at Baylor. 

 

I will always believe the NCAA should make a standard of being at least .500 in conference. Just believe there should be standards for things like the tourney so they don't get watered down for money. 

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5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The best Iowa State can now do is .500 in conference and that is if they win out. They are at TCU tonight, who they lost to at home then it's Oklahoma, WVU, at KSU who they just lost to at home, Oklahoma State and at Baylor. 

 

I will always believe the NCAA should make a standard of being at least .500 in conference. Just believe there should be standards for things like the tourney so they don't get watered down for money. 

So is an 11-9 MAC team better than a 9-11 Big 12 team?  That would seem to water it down IMO.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

So is an 11-9 MAC team better than a 9-11 Big 12 team?  That would seem to water it down IMO.

It's really not that drastic. You're not getting into 9-11 MAC to fill in for an 8-10 Big 12 team. Last year Maryland(9-11) and Michigan State(9-11) were the only two teams to make the tourney with a conference record below .500. So you would have been replacing them with teams like Colorado State, Memphis or Boise State who were top seeds in the NIT. 

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https://watchstadium.com/college-basketballs-transfer-portal-winners-and-losers-for-2022-02-15-2022/

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2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It's really not that drastic. You're not getting into 9-11 MAC to fill in for an 8-10 Big 12 team. Last year Maryland(9-11) and Michigan State(9-11) were the only two teams to make the tourney with a conference record below .500. So you would have been replacing them with teams like Colorado State, Memphis or Boise State who were top seeds in the NIT. 

Iowa State's schedule currently has 4 games against teams ranked in the top 10 on Pom, 10 games against teams ranked in the top 25, 15 in the top 50, and 22 in the top 100.  If they go 5-1 from here out, they will finish the season at 21-10 against a schedule that will be in the top 20.  But they wouldn't qualify in your system because of the 8-10 conference record.

However, if they had beaten Kansas State instead of Iowa, they would qualify despite having the same overall record but having beaten an inferior opponent.  Personally, I don't care where the wins come from -- compare the wins to the schedule.  21 wins on Iowa's schedule is pretty damn good.

 

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1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://watchstadium.com/college-basketballs-transfer-portal-winners-and-losers-for-2022-02-15-2022/

Don't know that I would call Minnesota a transfer portal winner.  Saying that 'people thought they might not win a league game' seems to say people didn't think Ben Johnson brought in good recruits and they went 3-10.  Basically getting credit for his transfers not being as bad as people thought they would be.  I think other than Jamison Battle, the guys he brought in are just a collection of fifth year players who won't be back next year.

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2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

Who in the hell did the city of Portland sleep with?

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32 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Iowa State's schedule currently has 4 games against teams ranked in the top 10 on Pom, 10 games against teams ranked in the top 25, 15 in the top 50, and 22 in the top 100.  If they go 5-1 from here out, they will finish the season at 21-10 against a schedule that will be in the top 20.  But they wouldn't qualify in your system because of the 8-10 conference record.

However, if they had beaten Kansas State instead of Iowa, they would qualify despite having the same overall record but having beaten an inferior opponent.  Personally, I don't care where the wins come from -- compare the wins to the schedule.  21 wins on Iowa's schedule is pretty damn good.

 

Correct, they wouldn't qualify and I am 100% okay with that. I wouldn't care. Just like is you're 5-7 in college football and your 5 wins are Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Oklahoma, you don't deserve a bowl bid. I really don't care. Life ain't fair. If you can't get to 9-9, tough luck and good luck in the NIT. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

Andy Bottoms has Iowa State and Boise State both as 9 seeds. 

Iowa State

Q1- 7-7

Q2- 0-2

Q3- 1-0

Q4- 8-0

 

Boise State

Q1- 5-2

Q2- 3-3

Q3- 5-0

Q4- 5-1

His 8 seeds...

Seton Hall

Q1- 4-5, Q2- 3-2, Q3- 5-1, Q4- 2-0

Iowa

Q1- 0-5, Q2- 5-2, Q3- 4-0, Q4- 8-0

Colorado State

Q1- 3-2, Q2- 6-0, Q3- 4-1, Q4- 6-0

TCU

Q1- 4-4, Q2- 3-2, Q3- 3-0, Q4- 6-0

 

After looking at this... Why is Iowa an 8 seed other than Keegan Murray?

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6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Correct, they wouldn't qualify and I am 100% okay with that. I wouldn't care. Just like is you're 5-7 in college football and your 5 wins are Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Oklahoma, you don't deserve a bowl bid. I really don't care. Life ain't fair. If you can't get to 9-9, tough luck and good luck in the NIT. 

And I would say that if Memphis, Colorado State, or Boise State wanted to be in over Michigan State last year, they should have won more games against the schedule they played or taken care of business against the top teams they did play.  Life ain't fair, and good luck to them in the NIT.

You argue that putting a 9-11 Power 5 team is somehow 'watering the field down'....watering it down would be putting in teams that are worse than a 9-11 power 5 team because of an arbitrary rule.  The bowl argument doesn't hold water because the .500 rule is for overall record, not conference record.  Are you saying that if IU goes 7-5 in the regular season but 3-5 in the Big Ten, they shouldn't qualify but a 6-6 MAC team should as long as they went 4-4 in conference?