Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 78,377]

3 minutes ago, Demo said:

https://x.com/itsAntWright/status/1846333015636476189
 

Most recent example of why you follow Ant. I almost spit my drink.

*because Melo Trimble ain't playing no more and someone had to do it.

[Chris007 43,331]

21 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Seems pretty logical to me. Certainly didn't say every game, either. 

 

Saying that's logical is all I need to know about you. Also noticed you didn't quote me. Thanks

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,792]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Saying that's logical is all I need to know about you. Also noticed you didn't quote me. Thanks

Always have to make it personal. You weren't quoted because I knew this would be the type of response you would give. 

Putting Leal in the game with 10 secs to go defensively--- meaning you get 1 of ---- Carlyle, Malik, or MM off the court? Yeah, that's a good, necessary move. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,454]

Fire Mike Woodson 

[coonhounds 8,734]

Catching up and seeing people are upset about a social media meltdown! This was a guarantee as soon as the decision was made to retain Woodson! He called out the fans that probably fueled the hate even more. He has done a good job getting talent for this season and now comes the hard part! Winning is the only way to calm the hostility. If you think missing recruits foe next season is a meltdown wait till things turn even remotely south this season. Expectations are high if coach hasn't figured out how to put a competitive team out we are sunk! Acquiring talent when you can buy it isn't hard but getting a bought team to gel and compete at the highest level day after day is a challenge. Especially if you aren't a elite coach imo

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[iu eyedoc 1,755]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

For sure. IU's expectations are higher.

But this list from a 'kid-in-mama's-basement' website is purely about which is the best coach.

1. Pikell has a lot of resources and his 'Woody-era' record at Rutgers is pure @$$. Not sure what basis there is for stating that Pikell is a high-level B1G coach. 

2. Fran and Woody are about the same for the past three years.

 

Pikiell took a horrid program that averaged 23 loses a season the 3 yrs prior to his arrival and has had them in the top 25 in 3 of his 8 seasons the first time since 1979 and 3 of th 7 times in the 111years of the program and made the tourney twice, first times in over 30 yrs.

Pikiell has easily out coached and out performed MW. Not saying I would want him at IU, but what each has done for their program and who has done more isn't even debatable.

[HoosierHoopster 6,555]

3 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Seems pretty logical to me. Certainly didn't say every game, either. 

 

I can't believe a certain @Loaded Chicken Sandwich hasn't triple dog LIKED this tweet!

[Stuhoo 78,377]

4 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Pikiell took a horrid program that averaged 23 loses a season the 3 yrs prior to his arrival and has had them in the top 25 in 3 of his 8 seasons the first time since 1979 and 3 of th 7 times in the 111years of the program and made the tourney twice, first times in over 30 yrs.

Pikiell has easily out coached and out performed MW. Not saying I would want him at IU, but what each has done for their program and who has done more isn't even debatable.

Pikell has sucked for the three years Woody has been at IU. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,454]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Pikell has sucked for the three years Woody has been at IU. 

Sure, but yet Woodson only has 2 more conference wins than Pikell during those three years. When you consider the resource disparity between IU and Rutgers, that’s pretty sad.

[Stuhoo 78,377]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sure, but yet Woodson only has 2 more conference wins than Pikell during those three years. When you consider the resource disparity between IU and Rutgers, that’s pretty sad.

Two more conference wins and many more out of conference wins. And resources like NIL? That just really started last year, and is turbo-charged this year. Besides, Rugers is a big state school with a monster-sized alumni donor base. They came up with $1,000,000+ for both Harper and Bailey this year.

See what Cig has done at IU? Rutger Basketball has a helluva better history than IU football, is in a target-rich recruiting area, and Pikell has gotten worse, not better as his time there has passed. 

Pikell has had a decade to get it humming and has not, and not only has Woody been immediately better with Archie's crap tenure preceding him, he also has a better roster and I'll betcha again will have better performance than Ruger again this year.

*edits now included to reflect proper spelling of stinking New Jersey State school.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,792]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sure, but yet Woodson only has 2 more conference wins than Pikell during those three years. When you consider the resource disparity between IU and Rutgers, that’s pretty sad.

Isn't Rutger in the B1G? And this isn't football. 

Resource disparity. . They just signed 2 Top 5 kids. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,792]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Two more conference wins and many more out of conference wins. And resources like NIL? That just really started last year, and is turbo-charged this year. Besides, Rutgers is a big state school with a monster-sized alumni donor base. They came up with $1,000,000+ for both Harper and Bailey this year.

See what Cig has done at IU? Rutgers Basketball has a helluva better history than IU football, is in a target-rich recruiting area, and Pikell has gotten worse, not better as his time there has passed. 

Pikell has had a decade to get it humming and has not, and not only has Woody been immediately better with Archie's crap tenure preceding him, he also has a better roster and I'll betcha again will have better performance than Rutgers again this year.

Rutger** 

[iu eyedoc 1,755]

38 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Isn't Rutger in the B1G? And this isn't football. 

Resource disparity. . They just signed 2 Top 5 kids. 

SO you are saying Woodrow is pantsed in recruiting by a historically bottom feeder program with an "arena" that would fall somewhere in the middle of the top 10 Indiana high school gyms, that shares practice facilities with WBB, gymnastics, and wrestling.

 

 

Resource disparity indeed.

Wow that's embarrarssing.

Are those stands full, hard to see all the way up to row 26 with the bank of 30  60 watt bulbs concentrated on the floor.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,454]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Two more conference wins and many more out of conference wins. And resources like NIL? That just really started last year, and is turbo-charged this year. Besides, Rugers is a big state school with a monster-sized alumni donor base. They came up with $1,000,000+ for both Harper and Bailey this year.

See what Cig has done at IU? Rutger Basketball has a helluva better history than IU football, is in a target-rich recruiting area, and Pikell has gotten worse, not better as his time there has passed. 

Pikell has had a decade to get it humming and has not, and not only has Woody been immediately better with Archie's crap tenure preceding him, he also has a better roster and I'll betcha again will have better performance than Ruger again this year.

*edits now included to reflect proper spelling of stinking New Jersey State school.

The out of conference wins are largely meaningless when you schedule the way Mike Woodson schedules. No one should be impressed by single digit wins against the Army’s and Florida Gulf Coast’s of college basketball. 

Having a better tradition than IU football doesn’t take much. We have more losses than any other school. But Rutgers doesn’t have a rich tradition by any means. Rutgers has 8 NCAA tournament appearances in school history and had last made it in 1991 before making it in 2021 and 2022. 

No one is saying Pikell is a great coach - he was 12th on that list. But there’s little reason to believe Mike Woodson would outperform him if they switched roles. Woodson is 1-3 against Rutgers. Woodson had two seasons of upperclassman TJD and mustered 1 tournament win out of it. 

[iu eyedoc 1,755]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Two more conference wins and many more out of conference wins. And resources like NIL? That just really started last year, and is turbo-charged this year. Besides, Rugers is a big state school with a monster-sized alumni donor base. They came up with $1,000,000+ for both Harper and Bailey this year.

See what Cig has done at IU? Rutger Basketball has a helluva better history than IU football, is in a target-rich recruiting area, and Pikell has gotten worse, not better as his time there has passed. 

Pikell has had a decade to get it humming and has not, and not only has Woody been immediately better with Archie's crap tenure preceding him, he also has a better roster and I'll betcha again will have better performance than Ruger again this year.

*edits now included to reflect proper spelling of stinking New Jersey State school.

So better than Rutgers and Archie Miller is the benchmark?

 

I'm speechless.

[Home Jersey 5,879]

15 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Woodson is 1-3 against Rutgers. Woodson had two seasons of upperclassman TJD and mustered 1 tournament win out of it. 

I was at two of those Rutgers losses and both were absolutely excruciating. Last years game more closely resembled a very good 4th grade girls team with both struggling to break 40 points. Pike is probably rated about right on that list. He likes to junk it up. We’ll see if he can play a different way with this new elite talent on the roster. If he can’t, then it’s really time to move on. The kind of coach who can pull off some upsets but struggles to sustain winning from season to season IMO. Maybe NIL changes things for him but I doubt it. 

Sort of feels like the TJD point doesn’t get enough merit. He was basically our Edey. Woody’s first year with him we bounced early and so did Purdue. But both programs had a second year with their stud big man coming back. Painter rode Edey to the title game and sadly TJD’s career ended kind of like a wet fart. 

[Stuhoo 78,377]

12 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

So better than Rutgers and Archie Miller is the benchmark?

 

I'm speechless.

Not the benchmark! 
Never said it was the benchmark!

That poll was ranking B1G coaches and Pikell is very overrated. That was my point. Woody underachieving ? Okay. But a narrative that he’s somehow not as good or better than Pikell or (lord help me) Willard?!!?

That’s ridiculous.

[Napleshoosier 10,065]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not the benchmark! 
Never said it was the benchmark!

That poll was ranking B1G coaches and Pikell is very overrated. That was my point. Woody underachieving ? Okay. But a narrative that he’s somehow not as good or better than Pikell or (lord help me) Willard?!!?

That’s ridiculous.

Glad we’re a football school!

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,792]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

SO you are saying Woodrow is pantsed in recruiting by a historically bottom feeder program with an "arena" that would fall somewhere in the middle of the top 10 Indiana high school gyms, that shares practice facilities with WBB, gymnastics, and wrestling.

 

 

Resource disparity indeed.

Wow that's embarrarssing.

Are those stands full, hard to see all the way up to row 26 with the bank of 30  60 watt bulbs concentrated on the floor.

I have no clue who Woodrow is.