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I believe they said that the 5th year would not retroactively apply to anyone already in college. Only to incoming freshmen.

They both look to be desperate.

Yep, who knows these days until they get on campus. Sales might sincerely want to come to IU but what happens if, during his other visits, he is offered an unusually large bag$$$$ from Bama, OSU or Miami? That being said….the positive update is certainly more intriguing than hearing we did not make his final four. Who knows what will happen, we shall see.

The comment I was replying to was talking about being unlucky if all 3 did not get to what are basically Sisley freshman year levels of production. We weren't talking about Wagler levels of production. I stand by my statement that if none can achieve that, it is a failure of coaching rather than a matter of luck. But if none turn out to be the next Wagler, I guess I would agree with unlucky. I don't expect to be lucky.

I'd laugh but then I'd also agree lol

Again agree we're thin at point, but Lindsay wouldn't be playing 38 min at point if Burton were to go down, likely would be shared on ball responsibility with Moody (who has some on ball experience) and probably Harris or Mustaf (not ideal for sure, but don't see Monden playing any real time)

Agree with you 100%. Until he arrives on campus, I won't put much stock in any commitment regardless of where he commits to. I think he will continue to court teams up until he signs.

There’s an MTV doc from a long time ago out there about Lone Justice and basically the issues were: 1) the record label kept trying to drive them in a popish direction and the band rebelled hard. 2) They were a manufactured band and didn’t get along personally at all. 3) Maria was both really young and a little bit crazy and struggled with everything but the music. It’s a shame, they could have been great.

Not sure I agree. It’s a huge jump for freshman in general. Relying on players ranked outside the top 25-50 is a wildcard. Getting them on campus and slowly adjusted the game is what id expect as Normal at a program trying to compete and win at the top. Where I do agree, is there are Fragers, and Waglers out there that can be good as a freshman and not highly ranked. Indiana has historically been awful at identifying these types of players. Really, really hoping for this to change.

I have No idea at all. Just seems like LSU and UK will throw major offers to him.

AH1971 and I see roster building much the same. Winning at the top level and expecting mid level recruits being ready to contribute as freshman aren’t things that generally fit well together. Although Moody being ready won’t surprise me. 1 more semi star and 1 solid bench piece and you’ve got yourself a team that can win a championship.

I suppose UCLA is likely out of the question?

As cool as this is, it won’t be over until it’s over. Makes getting excited for football recruits a challenge. (For me)

Baylor’s Yessoufou likely portaling. He’ll garner significant money somewhere. LSU and UK the big spenders left? UNC? Someone will pay him well.

We need a 4/5, not a 5.

reading some more on Sales... they actually let him play both ways last season, so he isn't a p*** ---- 56 tackles in 10 games. Made the state in the 100 (10.81), 2nd in the state in the 200 (and actually broke the state record in the pre lims), was part of the 4x1 team that won the state (as was Davion Chandler), Top 12 in the long jump, as well. Won the long jump at the MIC conference track meet Lists himself at 6'5 205 now

Sometime in July, he's still got officials to Bama, OSU, and Miami. I think Wiltfong put ~60% confidence on this prediction. So, we've got a ways to go, but we've got a decent shot here...

oh boy wait wait... do we have an announcement date on MS yet?

Who stated we don't have holes? You make s*** up to argue lol No one has misrepresented your viewpoint. It was just.... silly the entire time.

It'd be nice for our 6th and 7th guys to be more proven than 10mpg each. It'd be nice to have a back up 5 as 8th or 9th man. Moody as 8th or 9th and Karvala as 10th would be fine with me. Overall the staff deserves kudos for pulling a top portal haul. That doesn't mean we have no holes on the roster or are ensured any type of success. But why bother trying to understand what others are saying when you can just misrepresent their point of view and argue with yourself? Lol

I just did... at the 1&5 we are absurdly better than we were last year, and at PG.... I think it's the best we've been since Yogi... I'm just happy to have the concerns we have now vs what we saw in games again P4 last season. I don't play the prediction/expectation game. I except to be able to compete in every game, make the tourney, as a 9 or better seed. That would be the floor. Realistically-- you thought we were pulling in PROVEN guys for spots 6-9? What world do you guys live in?

The kids ranked around our incoming freshmen are largely either going to be fringe rotation guys at P5 like Sisley last year or play more at schools like VCU and Dayton. Basketball is played with 5 guys on the court and we bought a potentially pretty to very good group of starters. We still need to get something out of our bench. All teams need to worry about staying healthy. Especially us. Hopefully we go 12-8 in the Big Ten or better and have a core to retain for the first time in what feels like forever for IUBB. This program has no culture to attract or retain guys. That's probably what I found most disappointing about year 1 and why going into year 2 we again had to spend absurd amounts of money to flip the entire roster. Hopefully allocated better this time around. All we can do is hope since absolutely nothing is ensured when you compete at this level.

....why do I feel a few of these possible misses, high on our radar, will be in the transfer portal next year and IU back as their desired destination? lol

And yet they weren't huge. Which is astounding. But the music endures.