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10 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

How did BYU become so... meh?


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They haven’t failed to win 20 games and haven’t finished worse than 3rd in conference since 2004. 

On pace to keep up the streak this year. 

Pretty decent stretch even for a mid-major. 

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5 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:


And have been to the NIT 4 of 6 years in the WCC. An absolutely awful conference move. Most try and move up rather than down. They should have stayed in the MWC or moved to the PAC.


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I think that stuff was all due to their football team becoming an Independent.  But I agree with you they should have stayed in the MWC or looked to the Pac-12.  

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8 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:


And have been to the NIT 4 of 6 years in the WCC. An absolutely awful conference move. Most try and move up rather than down. They should have stayed in the MWC or moved to the PAC.


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I would argue the WCC featuring Gonzaga every year and St. Mary’s most years is better than the MWC that has Nevada the past two years and no consistent contenders outside of that. 

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7 minutes ago, Rico said:

I think that stuff was all due to their football team becoming an Independent.  But I agree with you they should have stayed in the MWC or looked to the Pac-12.  

BYU have tried to squeeze themselves into the Big 12 a couple times to no avail, including LGBT groups protesting due to the Mormon religion's stances on gays.

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19 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I would argue the WCC featuring Gonzaga every year and St. Mary’s most years is better than the MWC that has Nevada the past two years and no consistent contenders outside of that. 

You forgot about San Diego St., Utah St., Fresno St., New Mexico St., etc.  The MWC is better and they play football.

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11 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

BYU have tried to squeeze themselves into the Big 12 a couple times to no avail, including LGBT groups protesting due to the Mormon religion's stances on gays.

I did not know that, but the conference would be a good fit for them.

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1 minute ago, Rico said:

You forgot about San Diego St., Utah St., Fresno St., New Mexico St., etc.  The MWC is better and they play football.

I didn’t forget about them, they just don’t consistently contend for anything like Gonzaga does. 

I think being a football independent is a good thing for BYU. They don’t really need the conference revenues and they can play whoever they want. They’d get crushed in the Big 12 or Pac 12 and the Mountain West isn’t a very good football conference. 

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10 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I didn’t forget about them, they just don’t consistently contend for anything like Gonzaga does. 

I think being a football independent is a good thing for BYU. They don’t really need the conference revenues and they can play whoever they want. They’d get crushed in the Big 12 or Pac 12 and the Mountain West isn’t a very good football conference. 

So, the WCC is better just because of Gonzaga?  I wonder why the 'Zags were flirting with joining the MWC just about a year ago?

The MWC is a good football conference...Boise St. and Fresno St. are pretty good programs.

 

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33 minutes ago, Rico said:

So, the WCC is better just because of Gonzaga?  I wonder why the 'Zags were flirting with joining the MWC just about a year ago?

The MWC is a good football conference...Boise St. and Fresno St. are pretty good programs.

 

The WCC is better than the MWC because Gonzaga is in it, yes. The MWC doesn’t have any perennially relevant programs that give you the chance to have a huge resumé boosting win every season and it isn’t deep enough to make up for that. Nevada is very good this and last season, but Gonzaga is Nevada (but better) nearly every season. Why wouldn’t you want to be in a conference with a perennial top-5 program with just about everything else being equal? 

I think the conferences are close, but Gonzaga gives the WCC the edge, in my opinion. 

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March Madness is only a few short weeks away. Looking at teams that are hot and those that are not

Teams that are hot

Houston, Cincinatti, KState, Texas Tech, Marquette, Purdue, LSU, Washington, Kentucky, Zags, Virginia

Mid majors: Belmont,  Utah St , Wofford, Buffalo, VCU

Holding Relatively Steady at the top 

UNC, Duke,  Mich,  Tenn, Mich St, 

Trending down

Nova, KU, Auburn, Iowa St, Louisville, 

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You’re definitely overlooking at how good the MWC was for a few years with SDSU, UNLV, BYU and New Mexico leading the charge. Gonzaga would have just been another good competing piece then. Gonzaga has only been as good as they are now for about 3 years. Before that they weren’t really considered national title contenders every year, just a mid major who was going to make the tourney hell in the first weekend.


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Not a national title contender? They made the Elite 8 in 1999. Then in 2004-2006 they were either a 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. I would say that’s a title contender. In 2013 they were a 1 seed.


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What about the other years? And in 2013 everyone was predicting them to be the first 1 seed to lose to a 16(Which they only beat Southern by 6 and then lost to WSU.


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Ok? You said they hadn’t been a championship contender until like 3 years ago. They were before that.


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