Transfers

[Banksyrules 4,489]

So with the addition of Holt, it seems likely that we will have more transfers (presuming no one will leave for the NBA), to make room for'15 recruits. Is this typical for programs to do this each year, or is this a little much? I wouldn't mind if this were the professional ranks, but I miss the days were we would see more kids grow under our program, and receive a good education from a highly regarded school. Is education secondary to these kids and the fans, or is this a matter of concern? Just getting a feeler out because I'm thinking maybe I should change my stance on the subject. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I guess I sort of see where you're coming from but not really. Crean has graduated every player minus Vonleh who has played for him. Players choosing to leave or transfer have been for more playing time or because they didn't get along with the team (minus Fischer who is still a mystery). Do people care more about winning than keeping players? Yes. This is true in every sport at every big University. Is it right? No. But that's the state of Collegiate athletics. 

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Classic. We land a recruit and instantly start talking transfers.

I don't have the article, but we're on par with the B1G and rest of the NCAA regarding average annual transfers.


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[WBHoosier 41]

No i'm with you, Crean either 1) Knows someone is leaving, 2) Is trying to get somebody to leave, 3) is going all in this year without regard to the future because he knows this is a make or break-down-crying-because-glass-fired-you-year, 4) or he knows that 2015 recruiting isn't going well for him and he'd rather have Holt with a year of development than any of the 2015 players he can actually at that position.

My 2 cents? HMP doesn't get along with Crean like the rest of that class (sans Yogi) didn't, he's frustrated he's not developing like he wants to (whether that's his fault or not is irrelevant), his best friend (PJ) is gone, and Hanner is making waves. I think Crean is trying to send a message saying "here's your replacement, you've used up your time here and my patience with you, move along now". COMPLETELY A GUESS, no source no nothing, that's just me reading the tea leaves.  

[JuwantGrimeShakes? 533]

Classic. We land a recruit and instantly start talking transfers.

I don't have the article, but we're on par with the B1G and rest of the NCAA regarding average annual transfers.


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WHY CAN'T CREAN KEEP THIS TEAM TOGETHER!!!!???

[Banksyrules 4,489]

I'm not angry at Crean per say but this is a trend. If it's acceptable amongst all then so be it.

From a players stand point, I just can't understand why a kid would transfer to East Tennessee State (?) or some small school, and give up a quality education from a Big Ten institution. Puzzles me.


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[WBHoosier 41]

Some kids believe they are NBA bound and cling to that. East Tennessee State = Immediate Playing time as the focus of the offense most likely. They're hoping that they can turn it all around.

[prodigal hoosier 27]

I think there are some valid concerns here. I'm just speculating but if JBJ is as advertised, he could be a one and done. More improvement from Yogi along with more team oriented success could see him go pro as well. Hartman would be an obvious transfer possibility which sucks because he has been hurt and hasn't gotten a real chance to develop. We have a lot of guards who could potentially play the 1 if need be, but we are still without a true everyday 5 for at least two years unless we get a stud for '15 who can play right away. Of course we have a lot of length and may be getting 8-12pts per game from 6-7 guys this year so no big may be necessary in the immediate future. One thing is for sure though, this team will be a lot of fun to watch as far as shooting goes.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

I'm not angry at Crean per say but this is a trend. If it's acceptable amongst all then so be it.

From a players stand point, I just can't understand why a kid would transfer to East Tennessee State (?) or some small school, and give up a quality education from a Big Ten institution. Puzzles me.


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Didn't Jurkin get his degree?

[Banksyrules 4,489]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="79585" timestamp="1408562210"]Didn't Jurkin get his degree?[/quote]
Not sure. I wasn't mentioning East Tennessee state as an example but just stating an observation that we are a better academic school.

I guess if it's all on the kids to make a decision , I just feel that they need people to tell them " stop you're not going to the NBA, get yourself a good education".


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[Lt. John McClaine 541]

Good coaches keep an open scholarship for late in the game, and this is a perfect example why. Coaches never stop recruiting, a player may not be available at one moment, but 3 months later maybe he is. I think Holt just came along at the right time and filled a position of need.

I don't buy into all of the conspiracy theories about why Crean brought in a recruit or why people have transferred off of his teams dating back to his Marquette days. Some of it the landscape of modern College Basketball, last year was the most transfers that NCAA Mens Basketball has ever had. Some of that can be attributed to the 5th year senior transfer rule, (Evan Gordan, Nick Ziesloft) also the modern landscape of College Basketball has changed to where scholarships are now more than ever a 1 year deal rather than 4 years.

In regards to Crean and his transfers, well what I can say to that is that I can't remember any player that left the program where I was broken up about it, not like I was in 1999 when Luke Recker left IU under Coach Knight, or when Jason Collier left. There were some players that were ok, that I thought would have been able to help like Remy Abel, Nick Johnson under Crean's first year, or Luke Fischer from last year, however the majority of the guys that leave IU simply were not good enough or they seeked more playing time because a recruit that was coming in next season was going to take his playing time. Under Coach Crean, Luke Fischer is really the only guy that put IU in a bind, and that was because he was a big man.

Also, i find it in bad taste to speculate who is going to leave IU before the season has started. I hate when people do that, all it does it create negativity or start rumors. Just let the season start and unfold.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,919]

Not sure. I wasn't mentioning East Tennessee state as an example but just stating an observation that we are a better academic school.I guess if it's all on the kids to make a decision , I just feel that they need people to tell them " stop you're not going to the NBA, get yourself a good education".Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Basketball is their passion. Even if they aren't going to the NBA or euro leagues, I fully understand the desire to play important minutes. Also, if they want a quality education they can transfer to a lesser basketball school with good academics and satisfy both desires. There are plenty of good academic schools with mediocre basketball programs. However, most of the time it's about PT, and basketball to a THEM stands above all else.

In their mind they don't think they stink. They just think they aren't getting the PT to prove themselves. NBA dreams are alive and well even for downgrade transfers. It's my guess, but I think Harrow and Hollowell both think the NBA is within reason.

[Banksyrules 4,489]

I like Holt and I think he will give good minutes. I'm fine with adding him on and I think that 7'3 wingspan will keep driving guards honest .

That said I do think it's ok to speculate under certain circumstances because it keeps academic institutions honest. I don't want another Sampson gate and raising questions challenged the ethics applies in any institution .

If u go to unc boards they attack anyone who questions their practices, but I think we all know that program is eventually going to be a sinking ship.

However it seems these transfers are normal across the board and I guess it's the state of things.

I'm cool with deleting this topic thread.


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[Banksyrules 4,489]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="79591" timestamp="1408563386"]Basketball is their passion. Even if they aren't going to the NBA or euro leagues, I fully understand the desire to play important minutes. Also, if they want a quality education they can transfer to a lesser basketball school with good academics and satisfy both desires. There are plenty of good academic schools with mediocre basketball programs. However, most of the time it's about PT, and basketball to a THEM stands above all else.

In their mind they don't think they stink. They just think they aren't getting the PT to prove themselves. NBA dreams are alive and well even for downgrade transfers. It's my guess, but I think Harrow and Hollowell both think the NBA is within reason.[/quote]

I'm afraid u are correct, but it still kind of depressing.


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