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I'm no scout, but I don't think any bball player on planet earth is a better one foot jumper than he is -- at only 6'6" he can do a double clutch two hand dunk from the free throw line, or a between the legs from the free throw line (I actually thought this was fake the first time I saw it). He's also a great two foot jumper with good body control. He's got it all athletically. Very exciting player. I wish he was on my team...
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Pretty cool. Can’t wait to see his 40 time, but he won’t run until IU’s pro day (needs time to train since the season went so long).
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#1 INDIANA FOOTBALL 2025 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Pagoda replied to Hovadipo's topic in Indiana Hoosiers Football
The more I look back on this game, it's amazing how devastating this actually was for Miami. The Mighty U was playing great. All their Hall of Fame former players and celeb fans were on the sideline. Playing Indiana -- who cares how good they're supposed to be, it's Indiana. The game is in their home stadium in their city. It was all coming together. Then IU fans take over with 2/3 the crowd -- that's emasculating. After zero points in the first half, Miami threw some decent counterpunches, but they got handled and lost. It was not in fact "About the U." It was All About the Hoo-Hoo-Hoosiers. Incredible. That really was a tough situation for us, and we played just "okay" and won. -
Scott got an invite to this White House roundtable on college sports. It’s probably doesn’t matter much, but I guess it’s kinda interesting we were included. IU has some clout.
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Lmao Cig is so damn awesome.
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Yea, agree. I was answering the question about who another poster was referencing.
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Another former player joins the staff. These sort of moves probably solidify the new IUFB culture even further.
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If IU would just stop being PC, holier than thou, pure as the driven snow, and all that, we could have hired Chris Beard and fixed the program!
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It's not a distraction. You asked why people think Scott could fix IUBB. The reason some people do is he fixed IUFB. IUFB, like IUBB, is a significant college sport. I'm not sure if Scott will fix IUBB, I've got my concerns, we'll see. He's been in charge of it for about a year.
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Thad Matta.
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Indiana Basketball and Nebraska Football
Pagoda replied to Stuhoo's topic in Indiana Men's Basketball
They feel similar, but I think the reasons for the declines are a little different, and Nebraska has harder to overcome issues: CFB recruiting went from regional to national and roster/scholly limits were introduced. They're in the middle of nowhere and it's hard for players and families to get to Lincoln. Also, rules changes meant they couldn't have 150 player rosters anymore, which they used to use to find/develop talent. Other schools replicated their strength and conditioning (and steroids) program, which for a while was a serious competitive advantage Conference changes didn't help, they're not as big of a deal in the B1G They struggled with a lot of bad coach hires IU issues: We suck at hiring coaches. Probably mostly because it has historically been a very political process that's included a formal committee, the President, the Chairman of Board, big donors, and even sometimes the athletic director. We've missed on plenty of good coaches I don't even want to list them all. Though I have to admit this latest hire was Scott's call with almost no political meddling, and it's not going great so far. In the '00's and '10's we didn't play the under the table money game well. We didn't pay guys like UK, KU, Duke, etc. We didn't have agent relationships. I thought the NIL era would fix this, but it hasn't. Frankly, at this point I can't explain why IUBB is so bad. And perhaps whatever it is that is constantly holding back IUBB, it's actually harder to overcome than I thought. We just need a good coach and seven good players. Why is this so hard? -
I get people can change their mind, but this is great news. These comments cause people to bring up the idea he could be Cig's successor. It's probably unlikely, and the coach in waiting thing doesn't usually work, but Cig's program has a track record of pulling off the unlikely. Would I be excited about a phenomenal DC with 20 years of Cig training taking over? Yes I would.
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My one concern is any time pro guys come down to the college game I get a little nervous. Evaluating and working with younger developing players is a different art/skill from assessing much more polished and mature NBA level guys. It may be fine, it's just something I'm sure everyone has noticed in when NBA guys come to CBB or NFL guys go to CFB. Don't get me wrong, I like Carr. Hoping for the best...
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He's got a clear and confident vision. I wish CDD sounded more like this. There is a lot to fix, but this an encouraging move.
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I'll take the other side of that prediction. I think he'll be remembered for the IUFB transformation and 16-0 National Championship season. It's probably the best story in college sports history. IUBB stunk long before Scott took over, so what's happening isn't new. I guess if he ends up needing to hire two more MBB coaches and he flubs those hires, and IUFB falls off... maybe the MBB struggles start to be more top of mind when it comes to him. That would be grim. We'll know in 10 years or so...
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Our prediction market odds to make it went from ~80% to ~33%. After the last three games, I'm not holding my breath for a magical three game winning streak. Man, what a bummer.
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Because Scott fixed IU football. You know, the program he inherited with the most losses in D1 and three total postseason wins. I get you want to be all mad at Scott, but you can't ignore the 16-0 CFB National Title and the 2x AP National Coach of the Year he hired and retained that did it. He's been in charge of IUBB for a little over a year -- it basically started when he fired Woody midseason. CDD is off to a bad start. I could be wrong, but I think it's more than likely he isn't the guy. It sucks. And having doubts about Scott being able to hire the right bball coach is fair after the start we've seen from CDD. But acting like there is no way Scott can figure out IUBB after he literally just figured out IUFB doesn't make sense. Fixing IUFB was way harder, and he more than fixed it.
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Good conference slate this year. OSU is a mega game. USC will be a CFP hopeful. The Bucket Game is at home. NW is interesting with Aidan Chiles and Chip. Minny is always a decent midpack team. I know the non-con is cupcakes, but clearly it's Cig strategy to have those games to prep the team and keep them fresh.
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Technically it's not a "must win," but it effectively is in my view. Yea we could win out, but if we lose this game, that's probably not happening. The last two games we were not expected to win, but unfortunately we were not competitive in either. At some point we've got to play well, and that starts tonight.
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Interesting. Nicely written little note. Can’t hurt.
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Respectfully, these two do not belong in the same sentence. One is a 2x AP Coach of the Year with a National Title who has been credited with the greatest coaching accomplishment in CFB history, and perhaps even in all of sports. The other is a good coach who spent ~$13-15M and has a very good bball team at a historically good program. Nice, but that’s not much. Also, football is the much bigger sport and powers college athletics. The Cig hire has taken us from the bottom third of the B1G in athletic dept revenue to the top third, which is a game changer. And exposure for IU is through the roof. CBB doesn’t come close. I wouldn’t trade our CFB Championship for any realistic number of CBB titles. Maybe 10 schools care about CBB. The whole country cares about CFB. Sorry to be a bit dramatic, but this is not close.
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Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!
Pagoda replied to mamasa's topic in Indiana Hoosiers Football
I don't get tired of Cig interviews. Here's a new one with Greg who knows him from Alabama. Starts at around 2:30 and goes for about 20 minutes. Some repeat topics, but some new stuff is here and there. -
Tom chimes in with some positive views. Good stuff.
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Even if we're not as good as '25... it's hard to top the most accomplished CFB team ever, we can still be plenty good enough to win the biggest prizes. There are four teams with about the same "best odds" to win it all: ND, OSU, Texas, and defending National Champion IU. Then there is a little gap to Oregon, and another gap to Georgia. Very exciting. I can't wait to see how this staff levels up Hoover and we've got some great games on the schedule too. Anything is possible -- no self-imposed limitations!
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Carter is recovering from some kind of injury and/or procedure — unclear at the moment. Fortunately he has lot of recovery time and he seems to be in a good mood on social media.
