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Glad he's willing to try something new. I can't wait to see how that innovative experiment will work out.

An NBA coach coaches the players the GM gets him. He might have some feedback on who he does or doesn't want, but that's it. The GM does all the work in regards to obtaining the players and contracts. They have a collective bargaining agreement which makes the contracts binding and has rules regarding free agency. There is a draft so the only recruiting is done on free agents and that is probably only a little wining and dining along with a dollar figure. The coaches get breaks in the summer to go on vacations and spend time with their families. College coaches are the coach and GM in one so they have to do both jobs. Recruiting HS players is a long and labor intensive practice which involves watching them play (usually many times), in home visits, unofficial visits, official visits, regular texts/calls, etc. Some of this the assistants do but a good HC still puts in plenty of the work. Recruiting from the portal is probably the closest thing to NBA free agency but it's still work the coach and not a GM has to do. There is no collective bargaining agreement so contracts aren't binding and the transfer portal means players can suddenly decide to leave. The coach has to be constantly recruiting both new and current players. The summer is spent recruiting and coaching. I'm not sure "NBA-lite" is the right term.

They were upset but not blown out like Woodson has been. But you're right, Woodson is as good as or better than Hurley. I'm looking forward to our back-to-back championships. The first will be this year or next, do you think?

Additional context: Year 1 blowout loss was with a team that had one of the best big men in IU's history on it. Year 2 blowout loss was with that same big plus a PG taken in the middle of 1st round of the NBA draft. Did Hurley also do less with more like Woodson has done? I think not. He had to rebuild after the mess Ollie left. I expect the team this year will underperform the talent just as Woodson's teams all 3 years.

Indeed. Consistency was a major issue with Crean. He'd have really good years but couldn't consistently field a good team.

20-21 was the COVID year so I can understand why the NCAA didn't care that he played only 6 games early in the season. In a normal year, that would give another year of eligibility but he already got that. In 19-20, the 12 games were in the 2nd half of the season, like Goode's games the year he was hurt. It's not surprising they denied the waiver for that and I agree that it does show how they'd likely rule on Goode. Although in this case he also played 12 games, which might be too many. Regardless, I've never seen Goode as likely to get a waiver and this just strengthens that opinion.

After the House v NCAA settlement, the SEC is discussing cutting the roster sizes of their swimming teams to 22 for men and 35 for women. I wouldn't be surprised if the B1G did something similar. I expect that walk-ons in every sport are soon to be a thing of the past.

Good. I could see that opening a whole new can of worms if they had won.

I don't remember the free agency conversations but I do remember when the Olympics started to allow professionals. A lot of the same things were said then as are being said now. Yet, the Olympics are better than ever, in my opinion.

Absolutely. Opting to go to court over everything was a big mistake on the NCAA's part. Then when at court fighting to keep the athletes from having rights that other students had, argued over and over that the athletes were just students. It's no surprise that the courts finally started going against them.

Man, IU is killing it in the transfer portal. They'll be really good again next year.

"It's Indiana. It's Indiana, and that is the bottom line." That applies to football as much as basketball. Maybe more. I think that starts to change but I certainly can't blame anyone for having doubts.

Not sure how you can lie? Pretty easily. "The collective will pay you this much" followed by the collective paying much less. Where the NCAA screwed up is holding on to the amateur, athletes are not employees arguments too long and hard then losing in court because they were trying to restrict the rights of students who were just amateur non-employees by their own argument. Completely incompetent, yes, but not for the reasons you state. The NCAA tried to ban talk of NIL. They lost in court. The NCAA doesn't have the power to ban collectives and if they tried, they'd lose in court. The only way this really gets sorted out is through a collective bargaining agreement.

He lost out on millions of dollars because he was lied to. I can't blame him for jumping on the ~50% raise he was promised over what he would've gotten at Miami. I hope he wins his lawsuit. Lying to players about how much money they'll get from NIL is pretty common.

That would be quite the extraordinary leap from around 100 (95 on 247, 108 composite) the summer before his senior season to a 5*. I just don't see that happening, so I would be surprised if it happens. There's lot of room to move up in the ranking without becoming a 5*.

Considering those 10 games were at the end of the season, I doubt he'd be granted a waiver.

Yeah, the decommitment isn't a great look but I can totally understand why he did it. He was promised almost 50% more than than Miami. If I had a job offer that I had accepted but hadn't started yet then another company that seemed just as good came along and offered me 50% more, you better believe I'd jump on that. So I can't really blame him. The article also said that he didn't get much NIL at ASU to the lies really cost him a lot of money. What is really needed is some sort of collective bargaining agreement that would make commitments on both sides binding. Until that happens, it'll be the wild west and the NCAA is powerless and the best way to avoid these types of situations is lawsuits like this acting as deterrents.

Gross on whose part? The adults who reneged on their contract? The player for suing to hold them to what he was promised in the contract? I hope he wins and similar lawsuits are filed against people at other schools who make promises of big money then renege. It sounds like that is actually pretty common.

Long live this thread! (I actually hope it only goes until the end of next season)

You'd be okay with a 5-7 seed? You said that this roster dwarfs that of the team which got a 4 seed. Seems like a 4 seed should be the floor of acceptable seeding and he should be shown the door if they can't get at least that.

I didn't like this argument then and I don't like it now. You can't make something that doesn't exist. There wasn't even a selection for that non-existent tournament. From what I remember, they were very much a bubble team entering the B1GT. They won a couple of games which people thought were enough to get them into the tournament but it wasn't a sure thing since teams like that get left out quite often. You can say he would likely have made it but the fact remains that he made exactly 0 NCAA tournaments while at IU.

I hadn't seen that Creighton was no longer going to be a part of that. They are buying out of the contract to go to a tournament that pays to NIL collectives, instead. https://whiteandbluereview.com/creighton-pulls-out-of-battle-4-atlantis-will-instead-compete-in-players-era-festival/

Part of Miller's problem was that he wasn't very good at evaluating talent. Even a bunch of players he didn't land but recruited hard turned out to be not very good. Ethan Morton and Matt Cross are a couple of examples. So having NIL money likely would've just meant that he landed more players who weren't very good, except they were getting paid for it. Sure, it may have helped him land a few more players who were actually good, but it probably wouldn't have mattered too much in the greater scheme because Miller is simply a bad coach. Also, I find it hilarious that people are now defending Miller as if saying that Woodson is better than him is saying Woodson is a good coach. They're both bad but Miller is clearly worse.

Be careful you don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back so hard. ;p

That's a huge pickup. 2 A finals at the NCAAs and with a bit of improvement in the 3rd event could score in that. Also helps the medley relays in either back or fly. Plus, she has 3 years of eligibility left. Huge.